Cold and Missing: Tiesha Sargeant

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,780 The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts. 2 00:00:13,780 --> 00:00:18,400 All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,160 Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages. 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,560 Listener discretion is advised. 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,280 I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski. 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,680 And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski. 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,200 And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases. 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:35,960 Hello everyone and welcome back. 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,360 I'm your host, Ali. 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,140 And I'm your co-host, Eli. 11 00:00:39,140 --> 00:00:42,600 And this is Cold and Missing, episode 71. 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,300 We're in the 70s now. 13 00:00:44,300 --> 00:00:46,480 And you have a new case for us this week, right? 14 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:47,480 I sure do. 15 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:49,440 We are on a cold case this week. 16 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:50,440 Awesome. 17 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:51,440 Let's get to it. 18 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,620 So today we are covering the cold case of Tiesha Sargeant. 19 00:00:55,620 --> 00:01:00,160 And this takes place in May of 2006 in Brooklyn, New York. 20 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,920 But first a little bit about Tiesha. 21 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,500 Tiesha is a brilliant young woman. 22 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:09,480 She was 26 years old in 2006 and she would have been 44 years old today. 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:16,120 Family and friends describe her as a lovely, charming, and an overachieving kind of person. 24 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,080 She was a first generation as both of her parents were from Guyana. 25 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,760 During her middle school years, Tiesha was accepted into the Prep for Prep program. 26 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,400 Prep for Prep is a program in New York City for young people of color to get scholarships 27 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,160 to the city's best private schools. 28 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,640 Basically they take kind of standardized tests. 29 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,280 And if you score high enough, you take more tests and IQ tests. 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:44,840 And eventually you get placed into this program if you score well enough, which Tiesha did. 31 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,440 She went above and beyond. 32 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,720 Tiesha was accepted into the Brealey School, where she excelled. 33 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,160 Tiesha was the co-head of the student government. 34 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,840 The junior prom princess, second soprano in the chorus, dominated the field hockey team 35 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,080 and even tutored younger kids in her free time. 36 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,000 So yeah, she did everything. 37 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,760 She was everywhere all the time. 38 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:12,440 Tiesha went on to attend Wesleyan University in Connecticut, where she began to explore 39 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,100 racial identity politics. 40 00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:19,560 She penned many papers about the role of black women in society and wanted to pursue more 41 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,900 writing after college. 42 00:02:21,900 --> 00:02:27,800 After graduating, Tiesha hopped around from a few different corporate jobs, but in 2006 43 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,680 she had just started working for the publishing giant Conde Nast in Manhattan. 44 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,040 She was working as a web designer, but the freelance nature of her job gave her time 45 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,160 to write in the evenings, which she loved. 46 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,840 So now a timeline of events. 47 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,280 Tiesha, in 2006, was living with her boyfriend, Keve Huggins. 48 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:52,320 They live on a second floor walk-up apartment in Prospect Lefferts Gardens in Brooklyn, 49 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:53,320 New York. 50 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,920 This is just blocks away from where Tiesha grew up. 51 00:02:55,920 --> 00:03:00,040 Tiesha loves Keve and believes that this is who she is supposed to spend the rest of her 52 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,040 life with. 53 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,880 Her friends said that they could hear her smiling through the phone when she talked 54 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,040 about him. 55 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,240 Some people in Tiesha's life expressed concerns about their relationship. 56 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,240 There was often money and guns around the apartment, and Keve was selling weed out 57 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,120 of the home when Tiesha was at work without her knowing. 58 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,800 Tiesha defends her relationship and Keve. 59 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,960 Tiesha tells a friend, quote, as long as he's not disrespectful to me or the relationship, 60 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:25,960 I'm good. 61 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,080 I've told him that. 62 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:28,560 End quote. 63 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:34,720 On Saturday, May 13th, Keve had been selling weed during the day, and he says he sold around 64 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:40,280 $6,000 of weed that day, made up of amongst three or four deals. 65 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,360 Later that evening, Keve's cell phone rang, and when he picks up, he's on the receiving 66 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,320 end of a threatening phone call. 67 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:47,840 He doesn't think much about it. 68 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,680 He eventually falls asleep on the couch. 69 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,080 Sunday, the next day, was his birthday. 70 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:57,480 In the late hours of Saturday to the early morning of Sunday, May 14th, which is also 71 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:02,560 Mother's Day, three intruders climbed through the couple's second-floor window and caught 72 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,620 Keve by surprise, who was asleep on the couch. 73 00:04:05,620 --> 00:04:10,300 One of the intruders pushed Tiesha on top of Keve and tied them up before putting a sheet 74 00:04:10,300 --> 00:04:11,620 over both of them. 75 00:04:11,620 --> 00:04:15,480 From the reports, it seems like they were face-to-face, Tiesha and Keve. 76 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,760 The gunman fired once and shot Tiesha in the back of the head. 77 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,320 A police source told newspaper, quote, he lives. 78 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:23,320 She doesn't. 79 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,640 They were so close he heard her sigh when she was hit. 80 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:27,920 End quote. 81 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,920 This all happens around 1.30 a.m. 82 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:37,080 As the intruders fled the apartment with $5,000 and Keve's cell phone, Keve calls the police, 83 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,520 I'm assuming using Tiesha's phone or another phone that was available in the apartment. 84 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,960 Keve tells police about Tiesha's murder and the break-in. 85 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:50,320 The thieves did leave behind a gun behind their apartment. 86 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,880 Keve was not injured at all in the break-in. 87 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,320 When police arrived, they do announce Tiesha dead on the scene, and they also find weed 88 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,880 in the apartment, which Keve readily admits that he was selling. 89 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,600 They bring him downtown for an interview, but they don't call him a suspect immediately. 90 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,440 They do end up arresting him on drug-related charges, since they did find just under four 91 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,720 ounces of weed in the apartment. 92 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,400 Police find that unloaded gun in the backyard, but they do not believe that this was the 93 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,720 murder weapon. 94 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:23,400 On Tuesday, May 16th, family and friends are shocked by the death of Tiesha. 95 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,600 Her friend, Corrin Mills, says, quote, she was a star, ambitious, motivated, beautiful, 96 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:29,600 kind. 97 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,040 It is just unfathomable to all of us. 98 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,240 End quote. 99 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,560 Police continue to investigate the murder. 100 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,720 Again, a police source close to the investigation says, quote, either way, this young woman 101 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,840 was innocent, end quote. 102 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:48,920 Keve, who had been arrested on the drug-related charges, does make bail that evening and leaves 103 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:49,920 prison. 104 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,520 Tiesha's family and friends beg that anyone who has ever bought weed from their apartment 105 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:59,160 come forward, and that anyone who knows anything about Tiesha's murder to come forward with 106 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:00,680 that information. 107 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,220 On Wednesday, May 17th, Tiesha is laid to rest. 108 00:06:04,220 --> 00:06:08,280 Her family and friends gather for her funeral service and say goodbye. 109 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:11,840 Her family is distraught over this senseless killing. 110 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:17,000 Her friend, Corrin, says, quote, everyone is reeling and so very, very, very angry about 111 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,940 this relationship, this new boyfriend. 112 00:06:19,940 --> 00:06:22,960 We are shocked because this was not on anyone's radar. 113 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,960 Tiesha was a special person. 114 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,160 There was no reason to worry that anything bad would have ever happened to her. 115 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,160 End quote. 116 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,360 And although her friend does say that this is a new boyfriend, they had been dating for 117 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:39,100 about a year at this point and had just moved in together in their Brooklyn apartment just 118 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:41,160 a few months before the murder. 119 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,040 Police continue to question Keve about Tiesha's murder, and he's being very cooperative with 120 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,520 police at this time. 121 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:51,440 The police tell the newspapers, quote, we are looking at him, at everything, especially 122 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,500 his recent drug dealings. 123 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:55,400 The victim is shot and killed. 124 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,160 The boyfriend not only survives, he is not hurt in any way. 125 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:00,240 End quote. 126 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:05,880 On Thursday, May 18th, just four days after the murder, Tiesha's father, Henry, speaks 127 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,760 to the public for the first time. 128 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,680 Henry is still dazed from the death of his daughter, but he does not blame Keve for 129 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:12,680 what happened. 130 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:17,300 Keve continues to cooperate with police and returns back to the apartment to walk police 131 00:07:17,300 --> 00:07:18,520 through the night. 132 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,760 Police are looking into the threatening phone call that Keve received just hours before 133 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,500 the break-in and murder. 134 00:07:24,500 --> 00:07:27,640 Police also try to get Keve to take a polygraph test. 135 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:32,720 At first, he readily agrees, but just as quickly, he changes his mind and refuses to submit 136 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,280 to the polygraph. 137 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,680 The next update comes about a month later, on June 24th. 138 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,040 Police release a sketch of the suspect. 139 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:46,160 The sketch comes from Keve, who briefly saw a man holding a gun before the sheet was placed 140 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,680 over him and Tiesha. 141 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:52,800 Tiesha's father, Henry, who originally was supportive of Keve, has turned icy against 142 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:53,800 him. 143 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,520 Henry says, quote, you sold drugs from this place without my daughter knowing. 144 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,300 You put her in danger. 145 00:07:59,300 --> 00:08:01,600 There will always be a cloud following you. 146 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,320 You need to take a polygraph test to satisfy me, the police, and yourself." 147 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:07,320 End quote. 148 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,240 Henry pleads with Keve through the media to be upfront about what he knows. 149 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,720 Henry says that Keve has never been clear on how he was tied up and couldn't do anything 150 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,360 to protect his daughter. 151 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:22,760 Keve, in an interview with a reporter, told them that he woke up with his hands bound 152 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,740 around Tiesha and held together with a zip tie. 153 00:08:25,740 --> 00:08:29,240 It was only after the shot that he was able to break free. 154 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,280 Keve said that even though they were face to face and Tiesha was still alive, that she 155 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,120 didn't say anything in those final moments. 156 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,640 At this point in time, Keve has lawyered up, but him and his lawyers are saying that 157 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:45,080 he is willing to take the polygraph test now and police and Tiesha's family are hopeful 158 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,080 that he will keep his word. 159 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,160 At the beginning of July, Keve sits down with New York Magazine to tell his side of 160 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:52,160 the story. 161 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,440 Keve says, quote, that was my girlfriend. 162 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,480 She was going to be my future wife. 163 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,480 I don't have any reason to hold back information, but the police have nothing to go on. 164 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:02,920 They need a bad guy. 165 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:03,920 End quote. 166 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,800 Keve also mentions in this interview that hours after Tiesha was murdered, a call was 167 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:14,720 made to her cell phone using his phone, which had been stolen by the three intruders. 168 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,760 Keve claims that the police have made no effort in tracking where the phone call came 169 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:19,840 from. 170 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,920 In September of 2006, four months after the murder, Keve finally takes the polygraph 171 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,680 test, but the results are inconclusive. 172 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:34,180 Keve will say that he did pass a polygraph test that his lawyer administrated, but the 173 00:09:34,180 --> 00:09:37,040 police polygraph comes back inconclusive. 174 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:41,160 It's shortly after this that the case really falls out of the media. 175 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:47,120 In May of 2008, it's been two years since Tiesha was killed, police still have no suspects 176 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,440 in the case. 177 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:53,280 Keve has never been named a suspect in Tiesha's case officially, but he's never been ruled 178 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,040 out publicly by the police either. 179 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,160 Police still seem to believe that Keve knows more than what he has told police. 180 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,840 A reporter for the Daily News reaches out to Keve for a statement, but he doesn't 181 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,080 have much to say. 182 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,840 When asked if he had any idea who killed Tiesha, he says, quote, I'm not going to go guessing 183 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,920 two years after the fact. 184 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,360 End quote. 185 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:21,000 In 2017, it's now been 11 years since Tiesha's murder, the NYPD announces that they are officially 186 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:26,500 reopening her case in the cold case squad, but since then there has been no updates and 187 00:10:26,500 --> 00:10:28,320 no arrests. 188 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:34,320 So with that, if you know anything about the murder of Tiesha Sargeant in May of 2006, 189 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:39,480 please call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-577-TIPS. 190 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,800 That's 1-800-577-TIPS. 191 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:48,200 And the sources for the timeline today come from the Daily News, Newsday, the New York 192 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,480 Post and New York Magazine. 193 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,760 So that is the case of Tiesha Sargeant. 194 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:04,040 Mostly my initial reaction to this case is just a huge wave of sadness. 195 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:11,440 What a brilliant mind to lose so senselessly and carelessly, like to leave the world. 196 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:19,000 I mean, I really enjoyed, and every time we cover a case, I really enjoy how much you 197 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:25,040 cover just who the person was as much as you can find out about them. 198 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:33,020 And I just feel a deep sadness that this soul didn't rightfully, you know, continue to exist 199 00:11:33,020 --> 00:11:34,020 in the world. 200 00:11:34,020 --> 00:11:35,760 That was my reaction too. 201 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:41,560 I just thought, like, what a brilliant mind and, like, beautiful person to have been taken 202 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:42,560 from this world. 203 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:49,320 Like, I think that had Tiesha lived, we would be reading her writing and she would have 204 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:54,480 gone really far in this life and would have been a leader and a prolific writer. 205 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,400 I mean, she was so smart, just so smart. 206 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,240 That's one thing that people said again and again was just how smart and brilliant she 207 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,320 was. 208 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:12,080 I think my second reaction is all of the circumstances, just like life circumstances surrounding her 209 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,080 boyfriend. 210 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,680 Could you remind me his name again? 211 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:15,680 Keev Huggins. 212 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:17,760 Keev, thank you. 213 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:23,240 What I thought was, it just doesn't look good for this guy. 214 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:30,200 Especially at the time, there's a lot of negatives, like being ticked off there, you know, how 215 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:36,760 marijuana operates in our country right now is so different even from, well, this was 216 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,000 about 15 years ago now. 217 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,000 2006. 218 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,480 Yeah, so close to, it was such a different time. 219 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:49,320 So the way it was looked at socioeconomically, if you were selling, if you were buying, what 220 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:55,740 type of person you were, how people thought of you, the race of the person in relation 221 00:12:55,740 --> 00:12:57,720 to marijuana at all. 222 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:05,240 So that's pretty much what I thought was whether he did it or not, it just, his circumstances 223 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,000 really didn't help him. 224 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:13,280 Yeah, it just doesn't, it doesn't look and or sound great from my perspective. 225 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:19,640 No, you know, Keev is really cooperative with police in that first week or so. 226 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:24,080 And then, you know, they asked him to take a polygraph test, he refuses, and that's kind 227 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:29,640 of when the cooperation stops on his end with the police and with the investigation. 228 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,760 The one thing that I just kind of keep coming back to, and it seems like this was a sticking 229 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:41,200 point for her family as well was how exactly did they get tied up without him being able 230 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,980 to, you know, fight back. 231 00:13:43,980 --> 00:13:50,000 From his own statement to the press, he was asleep on the couch and kind of woke up with 232 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,880 Tiesha on top of him and his arms bound with zip ties. 233 00:13:54,880 --> 00:14:00,640 And it's hard to imagine that someone gets put on top of you and your hands get zip tied 234 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,080 without you waking up in that process at all. 235 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,440 Just like kind of waking up just moments before the sheet is put over both of them. 236 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,660 Like that's that's really the point where I'm like, something is there maybe that isn't 237 00:14:12,660 --> 00:14:16,200 being said or maybe at least not publicly. 238 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:21,240 Probably it has been said to investigators, but that's just when I try to like imagine 239 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,600 what was happening, I just I can't really figure that part out at all. 240 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:34,120 Yeah, as someone who this isn't really a reveal, I guess to you as someone who has unfortunately 241 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,600 been in handcuffs before, not for anything too serious. 242 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:43,960 I'm sober and so much I make so much so many better decisions now in my life, but I have 243 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:50,800 had the unfortunate experience of having my hands handcuffed, which I know from listening 244 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:56,280 to true crime and stuff is pretty similar to at least the tension that would be created 245 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:02,140 with your hands behind your back, zip tied around each. 246 00:15:02,140 --> 00:15:05,100 So his hands actually weren't behind his back, according to him. 247 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:09,300 They were around Tiesha and zip tied behind her. 248 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:14,080 So that way he was kind of holding her and that's how they were tied up was like his 249 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:19,200 hands were holding her and then she's shot in the back of the head. 250 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:28,160 Well still, the the experience of having your hands like hands and arms restrained, that 251 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:37,060 is a physical experience that if you weren't initially awake for, you would probably actually 252 00:15:37,060 --> 00:15:38,880 like sure as hell wake up. 253 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,240 I just that part. 254 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,640 Yeah, it's so unclear to me how it happened. 255 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:53,440 But again, I don't want to speculate and like really want to give this person the benefit 256 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:54,440 of the doubt. 257 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:59,600 Yeah, it's like the only way that I could see that happening was if you know, he falls 258 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,920 asleep on the couch with Tiesha like kind of laying on top of him if they were cuddling 259 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:10,200 or something and fell asleep and he already had his hands around her. 260 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,320 And then somebody comes in and zip ties them quickly, I could see how like maybe they would 261 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:21,920 get to you, like get you like kind of incapacitated before you fully wake up to realize what's 262 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:22,920 happening. 263 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:28,620 But from his own statements, it doesn't seem like Tiesha was asleep on the couch with him. 264 00:16:28,620 --> 00:16:32,880 It seemed like she had gone to bed and he fell asleep on the couch. 265 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:39,920 So you know, Tiesha was a small girl, but she still weighed, you know, 120 pounds, I bet. 266 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:46,280 And so like for 120 pound body to be put on you, wrap your arms around them zip tied and 267 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:47,360 then you kind of wake up. 268 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:52,360 I just feel like you would have woken up when she was placed on you. 269 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:58,520 But maybe there is a detail in there that we are not made aware of. 270 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,520 And again, I hope that that has been told to investigators. 271 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:07,720 But yeah, that's like really a sticking point for me is how exactly did this happen? 272 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:14,320 There is also a part of me that, you know, just has willingness to understand him. 273 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,960 When he sat down for that interview and said, you know, they need a bad guy. 274 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:23,920 I feel for him a little bit where I'm like, yeah, it's pretty easy here to draw as many 275 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:31,560 conclusions as you want that somehow, you know, it's this guy who did it, he committed 276 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,720 the crime or whatever. 277 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:40,440 I I don't I feel like it sounds like devil's advocate or whatever. 278 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:48,880 I just circumstantially I understood that where he was coming from, at least from that 279 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:56,120 that comment, but I just wish he would have been continuously cooperative. 280 00:17:56,120 --> 00:18:03,120 I guess I could understand why he would be afraid to say yes to a polygraph. 281 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:12,360 Like initially without a lawyer, you know, there's there's room in my mind there to 282 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:19,600 understand why he acted the way that he did with police and there's room for me to wish 283 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,760 that he had chosen otherwise. 284 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,320 That makes sense. 285 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:25,320 Yeah. 286 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:32,560 And you know, my my knee jerk, my gut reaction is that I don't think that Keve did kill 287 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:33,560 Tiesha. 288 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,560 I don't think that he was the murderer. 289 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:43,520 I wonder if part of, you know, the sheet being put over them, which I do believe happened, 290 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,760 nothing from the police is, you know, contradicted of that. 291 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:51,960 But I wonder if like him saying that he was asleep and he woke up and just saw one person 292 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:58,160 with a gun before the sheet was put over them, if that's him just like not trying to like 293 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,800 rat anybody else out. 294 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:06,680 I'm not a criminal mastermind or anything like that, but I know that sometimes in the 295 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:15,400 world of drug dealing and, you know, illicit activity that even if something terrible happens, 296 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,920 like a murder of a loved one, like you even if you know who did it, you still don't rat 297 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:20,920 on them. 298 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:21,920 You don't snitch on them. 299 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:22,920 That happens. 300 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:23,920 That has happened. 301 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,760 It will probably happen again. 302 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:31,400 So I just like wonder if that's kind of playing a part here as well. 303 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:41,440 I guess my question now is just sort of a recap on where law enforcement has left off 304 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:51,080 and yeah, where this case is now and where this case is now and what we can do to help 305 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:58,480 get Tiesha's name back out there if there's more that we can do now that this case is 306 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:04,760 at the forefront of our minds and all of our listeners. 307 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:12,200 As I mentioned in 2017, the New York Police Department's cold case squad officially reopened 308 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:21,680 Tiesha's case, but since 2017, there really hasn't been any movement officially from police 309 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:22,760 on this case. 310 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,000 There's been no arrests. 311 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,740 There's been no suspects. 312 00:20:25,740 --> 00:20:33,040 The only kind of piece we have of the suspect is the sketch that was made by police provided 313 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,640 from the description that Keefe gave them. 314 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,160 So that's really where we're at. 315 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:43,200 You know, there were three people that broke into the apartment according to Keefe. 316 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:49,400 So that's three people who potentially have talked since then, potentially have mentioned 317 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,500 something, potentially have said something in their sleep, have said something drunkenly. 318 00:20:54,500 --> 00:21:00,940 So that's three opportunities for someone to slip and say something that will eventually 319 00:21:00,940 --> 00:21:07,140 bring the killer or killers to justice for Tiesha. 320 00:21:07,140 --> 00:21:12,560 And again, if you know anything about the murder of Tiesha, please call Crimestoppers 321 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,120 at 1-800-577-TIPS. 322 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:21,880 That's 1-800-577-8477. 323 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:29,520 While you are listening to this episode, it would be so wonderful and so appreciated on 324 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:39,160 our end if you are listening in Apple podcasts, if you could rate, review, and please, please, 325 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,160 please review. 326 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:46,840 That really helps our podcasts become a bit more noticeable on the 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