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Cold and Missing: Tiesha Sargeant

Cold and Missing: Tiesha Sargeant
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Cold and Missing

Tiesha, a brilliant young woman, was murdered in her apartment in 2006. Tiesha had excelled at school and was just starting her corporate career in Manhattan and had recently moved into a Brooklyn apartment with her boyfriend, Keve. Tiesha had it all. On the night of the murder, three thieves broke into their apartment, tied up Tiesha and Keve, and shot Tiesha in the back of the head. Keve survived and called the police. The case remains unsolved. The NYPD cold case squad did reopen the case in 2017 but to date there have been no suspects or arrests for the murder of Tiesha Sargeant.

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1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,780 The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts. 2 00:00:13,780 --> 00:00:18,400 All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,160 Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages. 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,560 Listener discretion is advised. 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,280 I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski. 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,680 And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski. 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,200 And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases. 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:35,960 Hello everyone and welcome back. 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,360 I'm your host, Ali. 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,140 And I'm your co-host, Eli. 11 00:00:39,140 --> 00:00:42,600 And this is Cold and Missing, episode 71. 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,300 We're in the 70s now. 13 00:00:44,300 --> 00:00:46,480 And you have a new case for us this week, right? 14 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:47,480 I sure do. 15 00:00:47,480 --> 00:00:49,440 We are on a cold case this week. 16 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:50,440 Awesome. 17 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:51,440 Let's get to it. 18 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,620 So today we are covering the cold case of Tiesha Sargeant. 19 00:00:55,620 --> 00:01:00,160 And this takes place in May of 2006 in Brooklyn, New York. 20 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,920 But first a little bit about Tiesha. 21 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,500 Tiesha is a brilliant young woman. 22 00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:09,480 She was 26 years old in 2006 and she would have been 44 years old today. 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:16,120 Family and friends describe her as a lovely, charming, and an overachieving kind of person. 24 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,080 She was a first generation as both of her parents were from Guyana. 25 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,760 During her middle school years, Tiesha was accepted into the Prep for Prep program. 26 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,400 Prep for Prep is a program in New York City for young people of color to get scholarships 27 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,160 to the city's best private schools. 28 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,640 Basically they take kind of standardized tests. 29 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,280 And if you score high enough, you take more tests and IQ tests. 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:44,840 And eventually you get placed into this program if you score well enough, which Tiesha did. 31 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,440 She went above and beyond. 32 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,720 Tiesha was accepted into the Brealey School, where she excelled. 33 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,160 Tiesha was the co-head of the student government. 34 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,840 The junior prom princess, second soprano in the chorus, dominated the field hockey team 35 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,080 and even tutored younger kids in her free time. 36 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,000 So yeah, she did everything. 37 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,760 She was everywhere all the time. 38 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:12,440 Tiesha went on to attend Wesleyan University in Connecticut, where she began to explore 39 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,100 racial identity politics. 40 00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:19,560 She penned many papers about the role of black women in society and wanted to pursue more 41 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,900 writing after college. 42 00:02:21,900 --> 00:02:27,800 After graduating, Tiesha hopped around from a few different corporate jobs, but in 2006 43 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,680 she had just started working for the publishing giant Conde Nast in Manhattan. 44 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,040 She was working as a web designer, but the freelance nature of her job gave her time 45 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,160 to write in the evenings, which she loved. 46 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,840 So now a timeline of events. 47 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,280 Tiesha, in 2006, was living with her boyfriend, Keve Huggins. 48 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:52,320 They live on a second floor walk-up apartment in Prospect Lefferts Gardens in Brooklyn, 49 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:53,320 New York. 50 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,920 This is just blocks away from where Tiesha grew up. 51 00:02:55,920 --> 00:03:00,040 Tiesha loves Keve and believes that this is who she is supposed to spend the rest of her 52 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,040 life with. 53 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,880 Her friends said that they could hear her smiling through the phone when she talked 54 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,040 about him. 55 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,240 Some people in Tiesha's life expressed concerns about their relationship. 56 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,240 There was often money and guns around the apartment, and Keve was selling weed out 57 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,120 of the home when Tiesha was at work without her knowing. 58 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,800 Tiesha defends her relationship and Keve. 59 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,960 Tiesha tells a friend, quote, as long as he's not disrespectful to me or the relationship, 60 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:25,960 I'm good. 61 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,080 I've told him that. 62 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:28,560 End quote. 63 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:34,720 On Saturday, May 13th, Keve had been selling weed during the day, and he says he sold around 64 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:40,280 $6,000 of weed that day, made up of amongst three or four deals. 65 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,360 Later that evening, Keve's cell phone rang, and when he picks up, he's on the receiving 66 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,320 end of a threatening phone call. 67 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:47,840 He doesn't think much about it. 68 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,680 He eventually falls asleep on the couch. 69 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,080 Sunday, the next day, was his birthday. 70 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:57,480 In the late hours of Saturday to the early morning of Sunday, May 14th, which is also 71 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:02,560 Mother's Day, three intruders climbed through the couple's second-floor window and caught 72 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,620 Keve by surprise, who was asleep on the couch. 73 00:04:05,620 --> 00:04:10,300 One of the intruders pushed Tiesha on top of Keve and tied them up before putting a sheet 74 00:04:10,300 --> 00:04:11,620 over both of them. 75 00:04:11,620 --> 00:04:15,480 From the reports, it seems like they were face-to-face, Tiesha and Keve. 76 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,760 The gunman fired once and shot Tiesha in the back of the head. 77 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,320 A police source told newspaper, quote, he lives. 78 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:23,320 She doesn't. 79 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,640 They were so close he heard her sigh when she was hit. 80 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:27,920 End quote. 81 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,920 This all happens around 1.30 a.m. 82 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:37,080 As the intruders fled the apartment with $5,000 and Keve's cell phone, Keve calls the police, 83 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,520 I'm assuming using Tiesha's phone or another phone that was available in the apartment. 84 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,960 Keve tells police about Tiesha's murder and the break-in. 85 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:50,320 The thieves did leave behind a gun behind their apartment. 86 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,880 Keve was not injured at all in the break-in. 87 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,320 When police arrived, they do announce Tiesha dead on the scene, and they also find weed 88 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,880 in the apartment, which Keve readily admits that he was selling. 89 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,600 They bring him downtown for an interview, but they don't call him a suspect immediately. 90 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,440 They do end up arresting him on drug-related charges, since they did find just under four 91 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,720 ounces of weed in the apartment. 92 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,400 Police find that unloaded gun in the backyard, but they do not believe that this was the 93 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,720 murder weapon. 94 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:23,400 On Tuesday, May 16th, family and friends are shocked by the death of Tiesha. 95 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,600 Her friend, Corrin Mills, says, quote, she was a star, ambitious, motivated, beautiful, 96 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:29,600 kind. 97 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,040 It is just unfathomable to all of us. 98 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,240 End quote. 99 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,560 Police continue to investigate the murder. 100 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,720 Again, a police source close to the investigation says, quote, either way, this young woman 101 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,840 was innocent, end quote. 102 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:48,920 Keve, who had been arrested on the drug-related charges, does make bail that evening and leaves 103 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:49,920 prison. 104 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,520 Tiesha's family and friends beg that anyone who has ever bought weed from their apartment 105 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:59,160 come forward, and that anyone who knows anything about Tiesha's murder to come forward with 106 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:00,680 that information. 107 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,220 On Wednesday, May 17th, Tiesha is laid to rest. 108 00:06:04,220 --> 00:06:08,280 Her family and friends gather for her funeral service and say goodbye. 109 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:11,840 Her family is distraught over this senseless killing. 110 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:17,000 Her friend, Corrin, says, quote, everyone is reeling and so very, very, very angry about 111 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,940 this relationship, this new boyfriend. 112 00:06:19,940 --> 00:06:22,960 We are shocked because this was not on anyone's radar. 113 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,960 Tiesha was a special person. 114 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,160 There was no reason to worry that anything bad would have ever happened to her. 115 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,160 End quote. 116 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,360 And although her friend does say that this is a new boyfriend, they had been dating for 117 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:39,100 about a year at this point and had just moved in together in their Brooklyn apartment just 118 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:41,160 a few months before the murder. 119 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,040 Police continue to question Keve about Tiesha's murder, and he's being very cooperative with 120 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,520 police at this time. 121 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:51,440 The police tell the newspapers, quote, we are looking at him, at everything, especially 122 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,500 his recent drug dealings. 123 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:55,400 The victim is shot and killed. 124 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,160 The boyfriend not only survives, he is not hurt in any way. 125 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:00,240 End quote. 126 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:05,880 On Thursday, May 18th, just four days after the murder, Tiesha's father, Henry, speaks 127 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,760 to the public for the first time. 128 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,680 Henry is still dazed from the death of his daughter, but he does not blame Keve for 129 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:12,680 what happened. 130 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:17,300 Keve continues to cooperate with police and returns back to the apartment to walk police 131 00:07:17,300 --> 00:07:18,520 through the night. 132 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,760 Police are looking into the threatening phone call that Keve received just hours before 133 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,500 the break-in and murder. 134 00:07:24,500 --> 00:07:27,640 Police also try to get Keve to take a polygraph test. 135 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:32,720 At first, he readily agrees, but just as quickly, he changes his mind and refuses to submit 136 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,280 to the polygraph. 137 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,680 The next update comes about a month later, on June 24th. 138 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,040 Police release a sketch of the suspect. 139 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:46,160 The sketch comes from Keve, who briefly saw a man holding a gun before the sheet was placed 140 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,680 over him and Tiesha. 141 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:52,800 Tiesha's father, Henry, who originally was supportive of Keve, has turned icy against 142 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:53,800 him. 143 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,520 Henry says, quote, you sold drugs from this place without my daughter knowing. 144 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,300 You put her in danger. 145 00:07:59,300 --> 00:08:01,600 There will always be a cloud following you. 146 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,320 You need to take a polygraph test to satisfy me, the police, and yourself." 147 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:07,320 End quote. 148 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,240 Henry pleads with Keve through the media to be upfront about what he knows. 149 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,720 Henry says that Keve has never been clear on how he was tied up and couldn't do anything 150 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,360 to protect his daughter. 151 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:22,760 Keve, in an interview with a reporter, told them that he woke up with his hands bound 152 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,740 around Tiesha and held together with a zip tie. 153 00:08:25,740 --> 00:08:29,240 It was only after the shot that he was able to break free. 154 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,280 Keve said that even though they were face to face and Tiesha was still alive, that she 155 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,120 didn't say anything in those final moments. 156 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,640 At this point in time, Keve has lawyered up, but him and his lawyers are saying that 157 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:45,080 he is willing to take the polygraph test now and police and Tiesha's family are hopeful 158 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,080 that he will keep his word. 159 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,160 At the beginning of July, Keve sits down with New York Magazine to tell his side of 160 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:52,160 the story. 161 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,440 Keve says, quote, that was my girlfriend. 162 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,480 She was going to be my future wife. 163 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,480 I don't have any reason to hold back information, but the police have nothing to go on. 164 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:02,920 They need a bad guy. 165 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:03,920 End quote. 166 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,800 Keve also mentions in this interview that hours after Tiesha was murdered, a call was 167 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:14,720 made to her cell phone using his phone, which had been stolen by the three intruders. 168 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,760 Keve claims that the police have made no effort in tracking where the phone call came 169 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:19,840 from. 170 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,920 In September of 2006, four months after the murder, Keve finally takes the polygraph 171 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,680 test, but the results are inconclusive. 172 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:34,180 Keve will say that he did pass a polygraph test that his lawyer administrated, but the 173 00:09:34,180 --> 00:09:37,040 police polygraph comes back inconclusive. 174 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:41,160 It's shortly after this that the case really falls out of the media. 175 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:47,120 In May of 2008, it's been two years since Tiesha was killed, police still have no suspects 176 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,440 in the case. 177 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:53,280 Keve has never been named a suspect in Tiesha's case officially, but he's never been ruled 178 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,040 out publicly by the police either. 179 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,160 Police still seem to believe that Keve knows more than what he has told police. 180 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,840 A reporter for the Daily News reaches out to Keve for a statement, but he doesn't 181 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,080 have much to say. 182 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,840 When asked if he had any idea who killed Tiesha, he says, quote, I'm not going to go guessing 183 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,920 two years after the fact. 184 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,360 End quote. 185 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:21,000 In 2017, it's now been 11 years since Tiesha's murder, the NYPD announces that they are officially 186 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:26,500 reopening her case in the cold case squad, but since then there has been no updates and 187 00:10:26,500 --> 00:10:28,320 no arrests. 188 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:34,320 So with that, if you know anything about the murder of Tiesha Sargeant in May of 2006, 189 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:39,480 please call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-577-TIPS. 190 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,800 That's 1-800-577-TIPS. 191 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:48,200 And the sources for the timeline today come from the Daily News, Newsday, the New York 192 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,480 Post and New York Magazine. 193 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,760 So that is the case of Tiesha Sargeant. 194 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:04,040 Mostly my initial reaction to this case is just a huge wave of sadness. 195 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:11,440 What a brilliant mind to lose so senselessly and carelessly, like to leave the world. 196 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:19,000 I mean, I really enjoyed, and every time we cover a case, I really enjoy how much you 197 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:25,040 cover just who the person was as much as you can find out about them. 198 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:33,020 And I just feel a deep sadness that this soul didn't rightfully, you know, continue to exist 199 00:11:33,020 --> 00:11:34,020 in the world. 200 00:11:34,020 --> 00:11:35,760 That was my reaction too. 201 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:41,560 I just thought, like, what a brilliant mind and, like, beautiful person to have been taken 202 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:42,560 from this world. 203 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:49,320 Like, I think that had Tiesha lived, we would be reading her writing and she would have 204 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:54,480 gone really far in this life and would have been a leader and a prolific writer. 205 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,400 I mean, she was so smart, just so smart. 206 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,240 That's one thing that people said again and again was just how smart and brilliant she 207 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,320 was. 208 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:12,080 I think my second reaction is all of the circumstances, just like life circumstances surrounding her 209 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,080 boyfriend. 210 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,680 Could you remind me his name again? 211 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:15,680 Keev Huggins. 212 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:17,760 Keev, thank you. 213 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:23,240 What I thought was, it just doesn't look good for this guy. 214 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:30,200 Especially at the time, there's a lot of negatives, like being ticked off there, you know, how 215 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:36,760 marijuana operates in our country right now is so different even from, well, this was 216 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,000 about 15 years ago now. 217 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,000 2006. 218 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,480 Yeah, so close to, it was such a different time. 219 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:49,320 So the way it was looked at socioeconomically, if you were selling, if you were buying, what 220 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:55,740 type of person you were, how people thought of you, the race of the person in relation 221 00:12:55,740 --> 00:12:57,720 to marijuana at all. 222 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:05,240 So that's pretty much what I thought was whether he did it or not, it just, his circumstances 223 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,000 really didn't help him. 224 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:13,280 Yeah, it just doesn't, it doesn't look and or sound great from my perspective. 225 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:19,640 No, you know, Keev is really cooperative with police in that first week or so. 226 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:24,080 And then, you know, they asked him to take a polygraph test, he refuses, and that's kind 227 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:29,640 of when the cooperation stops on his end with the police and with the investigation. 228 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,760 The one thing that I just kind of keep coming back to, and it seems like this was a sticking 229 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:41,200 point for her family as well was how exactly did they get tied up without him being able 230 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,980 to, you know, fight back. 231 00:13:43,980 --> 00:13:50,000 From his own statement to the press, he was asleep on the couch and kind of woke up with 232 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,880 Tiesha on top of him and his arms bound with zip ties. 233 00:13:54,880 --> 00:14:00,640 And it's hard to imagine that someone gets put on top of you and your hands get zip tied 234 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,080 without you waking up in that process at all. 235 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,440 Just like kind of waking up just moments before the sheet is put over both of them. 236 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,660 Like that's that's really the point where I'm like, something is there maybe that isn't 237 00:14:12,660 --> 00:14:16,200 being said or maybe at least not publicly. 238 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:21,240 Probably it has been said to investigators, but that's just when I try to like imagine 239 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,600 what was happening, I just I can't really figure that part out at all. 240 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:34,120 Yeah, as someone who this isn't really a reveal, I guess to you as someone who has unfortunately 241 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,600 been in handcuffs before, not for anything too serious. 242 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:43,960 I'm sober and so much I make so much so many better decisions now in my life, but I have 243 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:50,800 had the unfortunate experience of having my hands handcuffed, which I know from listening 244 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:56,280 to true crime and stuff is pretty similar to at least the tension that would be created 245 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:02,140 with your hands behind your back, zip tied around each. 246 00:15:02,140 --> 00:15:05,100 So his hands actually weren't behind his back, according to him. 247 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:09,300 They were around Tiesha and zip tied behind her. 248 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:14,080 So that way he was kind of holding her and that's how they were tied up was like his 249 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:19,200 hands were holding her and then she's shot in the back of the head. 250 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:28,160 Well still, the the experience of having your hands like hands and arms restrained, that 251 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:37,060 is a physical experience that if you weren't initially awake for, you would probably actually 252 00:15:37,060 --> 00:15:38,880 like sure as hell wake up. 253 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,240 I just that part. 254 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,640 Yeah, it's so unclear to me how it happened. 255 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:53,440 But again, I don't want to speculate and like really want to give this person the benefit 256 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:54,440 of the doubt. 257 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:59,600 Yeah, it's like the only way that I could see that happening was if you know, he falls 258 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,920 asleep on the couch with Tiesha like kind of laying on top of him if they were cuddling 259 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:10,200 or something and fell asleep and he already had his hands around her. 260 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,320 And then somebody comes in and zip ties them quickly, I could see how like maybe they would 261 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:21,920 get to you, like get you like kind of incapacitated before you fully wake up to realize what's 262 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:22,920 happening. 263 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:28,620 But from his own statements, it doesn't seem like Tiesha was asleep on the couch with him. 264 00:16:28,620 --> 00:16:32,880 It seemed like she had gone to bed and he fell asleep on the couch. 265 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:39,920 So you know, Tiesha was a small girl, but she still weighed, you know, 120 pounds, I bet. 266 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:46,280 And so like for 120 pound body to be put on you, wrap your arms around them zip tied and 267 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:47,360 then you kind of wake up. 268 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:52,360 I just feel like you would have woken up when she was placed on you. 269 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:58,520 But maybe there is a detail in there that we are not made aware of. 270 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,520 And again, I hope that that has been told to investigators. 271 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:07,720 But yeah, that's like really a sticking point for me is how exactly did this happen? 272 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:14,320 There is also a part of me that, you know, just has willingness to understand him. 273 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,960 When he sat down for that interview and said, you know, they need a bad guy. 274 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:23,920 I feel for him a little bit where I'm like, yeah, it's pretty easy here to draw as many 275 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:31,560 conclusions as you want that somehow, you know, it's this guy who did it, he committed 276 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,720 the crime or whatever. 277 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:40,440 I I don't I feel like it sounds like devil's advocate or whatever. 278 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:48,880 I just circumstantially I understood that where he was coming from, at least from that 279 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:56,120 that comment, but I just wish he would have been continuously cooperative. 280 00:17:56,120 --> 00:18:03,120 I guess I could understand why he would be afraid to say yes to a polygraph. 281 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:12,360 Like initially without a lawyer, you know, there's there's room in my mind there to 282 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:19,600 understand why he acted the way that he did with police and there's room for me to wish 283 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,760 that he had chosen otherwise. 284 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,320 That makes sense. 285 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:25,320 Yeah. 286 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:32,560 And you know, my my knee jerk, my gut reaction is that I don't think that Keve did kill 287 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:33,560 Tiesha. 288 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,560 I don't think that he was the murderer. 289 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:43,520 I wonder if part of, you know, the sheet being put over them, which I do believe happened, 290 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,760 nothing from the police is, you know, contradicted of that. 291 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:51,960 But I wonder if like him saying that he was asleep and he woke up and just saw one person 292 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:58,160 with a gun before the sheet was put over them, if that's him just like not trying to like 293 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,800 rat anybody else out. 294 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:06,680 I'm not a criminal mastermind or anything like that, but I know that sometimes in the 295 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:15,400 world of drug dealing and, you know, illicit activity that even if something terrible happens, 296 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,920 like a murder of a loved one, like you even if you know who did it, you still don't rat 297 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:20,920 on them. 298 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:21,920 You don't snitch on them. 299 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:22,920 That happens. 300 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:23,920 That has happened. 301 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,760 It will probably happen again. 302 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:31,400 So I just like wonder if that's kind of playing a part here as well. 303 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:41,440 I guess my question now is just sort of a recap on where law enforcement has left off 304 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:51,080 and yeah, where this case is now and where this case is now and what we can do to help 305 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:58,480 get Tiesha's name back out there if there's more that we can do now that this case is 306 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:04,760 at the forefront of our minds and all of our listeners. 307 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:12,200 As I mentioned in 2017, the New York Police Department's cold case squad officially reopened 308 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:21,680 Tiesha's case, but since 2017, there really hasn't been any movement officially from police 309 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:22,760 on this case. 310 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,000 There's been no arrests. 311 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,740 There's been no suspects. 312 00:20:25,740 --> 00:20:33,040 The only kind of piece we have of the suspect is the sketch that was made by police provided 313 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,640 from the description that Keefe gave them. 314 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,160 So that's really where we're at. 315 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:43,200 You know, there were three people that broke into the apartment according to Keefe. 316 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:49,400 So that's three people who potentially have talked since then, potentially have mentioned 317 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,500 something, potentially have said something in their sleep, have said something drunkenly. 318 00:20:54,500 --> 00:21:00,940 So that's three opportunities for someone to slip and say something that will eventually 319 00:21:00,940 --> 00:21:07,140 bring the killer or killers to justice for Tiesha. 320 00:21:07,140 --> 00:21:12,560 And again, if you know anything about the murder of Tiesha, please call Crimestoppers 321 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,120 at 1-800-577-TIPS. 322 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:21,880 That's 1-800-577-8477. 323 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:29,520 While you are listening to this episode, it would be so wonderful and so appreciated on 324 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:39,160 our end if you are listening in Apple podcasts, if you could rate, review, and please, please, 325 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,160 please review. 326 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:46,840 That really helps our podcasts become a bit more noticeable on the 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