Cold and Missing: Jeffrey Lynn Smith

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,780 The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts. 2 00:00:13,780 --> 00:00:18,400 All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,160 Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages. 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,560 Listener discretion is advised. 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,280 I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski. 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,680 And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski. 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,580 And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases. 8 00:00:32,580 --> 00:00:34,200 And missing person cases. 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,200 Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing. 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,640 I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski. 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,240 And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski. 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,160 Thank you so much for hanging in with us this week. 13 00:00:45,160 --> 00:00:50,680 You can probably tell from my voice I'm still a little sick, but I'm feeling much better. 14 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:57,120 And for me, part of respecting these stories is being able to tell them with the best of 15 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:02,360 everything, the best audio, best research, and also the best voice. 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,680 So I didn't want to be a sick mess. 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,800 Recording on Sunday is when we usually record. 18 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,080 And have people not listen to the episode because they don't want a sick person in their 19 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,080 ear. 20 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:18,600 Yeah, I feel like now is a maybe okay time to mention that, especially if you've been 21 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:25,140 listening to us for a year now, you have been with us when we've been sick a couple of times. 22 00:01:25,140 --> 00:01:29,040 We are a times two autoimmune household. 23 00:01:29,040 --> 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place December 4, 1985, in Hot Springs, Arkansas. 35 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,840 At first, a little bit about Jeffrey Lynn. 36 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,400 Jeffrey went by her middle name Lynn. 37 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:31,580 But there's a story behind her first name, Jeffrey, which is pretty interesting. 38 00:02:31,580 --> 00:02:36,560 So her mother, Clarice, was a housekeeper and nanny for Virginia Kelley and her then 39 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,280 husband Jeff Dwyer. 40 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,280 Virginia is the mother of former President Bill Clinton. 41 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:47,080 According to Clarice, since Virginia and Jeff were unable to have children, they wanted 42 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,680 Clarice to name her child after Jeff. 43 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,960 When Clarice gave birth to a baby girl, she was going to name her Shirley, but Virginia 44 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,960 and Jeff's feelings were hurt, so she changed the name to Jeffrey Lynn. 45 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,280 Now, Clarice didn't have much interaction with Bill Clinton since he was already out 46 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,760 of the household and attending Oxford on his Rhodes Scholarship at this time. 47 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,960 But when he came home to visit, he did meet Clarice while she was pregnant with Lynn. 48 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,840 Lynn was 16 years old in 1985. 49 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,440 She had turned 16 in October of that year. 50 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,120 And as a gift, her parents gave her an opal ring. 51 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,900 Lynn adored her ring and wore it every day. 52 00:03:22,900 --> 00:03:27,640 Her sister Lisa said that Lynn protected the ring, quote, as if it were one of the crown 53 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:30,200 jewels of England, end quote. 54 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,680 Lynn has a bright smile and was shy around strangers, but very talkative around those 55 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:35,860 she loved. 56 00:03:35,860 --> 00:03:41,220 Lynn loved her hair and according to her mother was a sweet and lovely young lady. 57 00:03:41,220 --> 00:03:43,760 She followed the rules and listened to her mother. 58 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,800 She never gave her mother any trouble at all. 59 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,480 And now a timeline of events. 60 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:55,040 On December 4th, 1985, this starts as a typical day for Lynn. 61 00:03:55,040 --> 00:04:00,360 She heads to school wearing pink pants, a brown jacket and tan shoes. 62 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,600 After the school day ends, Lynn is walking home with her then boyfriend named Frank and 63 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:10,400 a friend named Lisa, not her sister Lisa, but a friend named Lisa. 64 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:15,240 Lynn's aunt actually sees the trio walking and stops to ask if they want to ride. 65 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,000 They say no, they were okay walking and they continue on their way. 66 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,080 Lisa leaves Lynn and Frank to head to her home. 67 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:27,680 Lisa tells Lynn's sister years later, quote, I left parted ways with them and she was headed 68 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:28,680 home. 69 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,140 They just kept walking, end quote. 70 00:04:31,140 --> 00:04:36,120 This was near the intersection of Crescent Street and Silver Street in Hot Springs, Arkansas, 71 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,600 which was just blocks from her home. 72 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,240 Frank says that he and Lynn parted ways and she was headed home. 73 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,400 Despite being close to her home, Lynn never makes it there. 74 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,680 Clarice instantly starts to panic when Lynn doesn't come home. 75 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,600 Lynn has never missed her curfew before and she's never given her parents a reason to 76 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:53,600 worry. 77 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:58,080 Clarice calls the police who do not take Lynn's disappearance seriously. 78 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,480 Police believe that she'll be back soon and is probably just out with friends. 79 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,160 Police treat the disappearance as a runaway. 80 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:10,960 On December 5th, 1985, the next day, Clarice knows something is absolutely wrong. 81 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,520 Not only had Lynn never missed curfew, but she certainly had never stayed out all night. 82 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,600 Her family knows that there is no way that she ran away. 83 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,800 Clarice calls her daughter Lisa, crying and telling her that Lynn didn't come home last 84 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:23,920 night. 85 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,480 Police stand firm that she ran away and do not launch any official searches for the girl 86 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,800 that I could find any reports on. 87 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:35,080 According to the family, they were the ones hitting the streets every single night, hanging 88 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,320 up posters, asking folks to be on the lookout and if they have seen her. 89 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:44,200 Lynn's boyfriend, Frank, does join the family in their nightly searches for Lynn, but no 90 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,240 trace of her is found. 91 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:52,080 After some time, it's unclear if this was days or weeks after Lynn's disappearance, 92 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,760 but the police contact her family to let them know they had some news. 93 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,640 They found Lynn's beloved opal ring at a pawn shop. 94 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,880 It had been pawned the day Lynn disappeared. 95 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,960 Police do not confirm who the person was that pawned it. 96 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:11,400 However, it does appear that in 1985, it would have been required to show an ID to pawn an 97 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:16,360 item, but the pawn industry wasn't as regulated as it is today, so there may have been some 98 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,960 shops who were slipping through the cracks. 99 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:24,640 I mention all of that because police have never confirmed who pawned the ring. 100 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:30,320 The family does have their suspicions on who the person was, but in theory, if all protocols 101 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:35,520 were followed, the police should know who pawned Lynn's ring the day she disappeared. 102 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,400 The case truly goes cold after this. 103 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,900 Police never launch any official searches, and it's only the family who are out searching 104 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:44,760 for Lynn during this period. 105 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:51,240 Lynn's family did move out of Arkansas for a bit, but they moved back in 2005, nearly 106 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,920 20 years after Lynn disappeared. 107 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,920 They move back with the hopes of reopening the case and getting answers to what happened 108 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:58,920 to Lynn. 109 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:04,560 Lisa, Lynn's sister, did manage to talk to two women who had dated Lynn's boyfriend, 110 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,560 Frank. 111 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:11,160 Both women were abused by him, and Frank would end up serving jail time for a myriad of reasons. 112 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,680 Lisa transcribed the interviews and turned them over to police. 113 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,960 Lynn's family and their relationship with the police was very tense. 114 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:25,880 Not only had they not taken Lynn's disappearance seriously in 1985, but at one point, the police 115 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:30,760 called the family down to the station saying that they had news about Lynn's disappearance. 116 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:35,440 When the family arrived, instead of giving them news, they arrested her stepfather on 117 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,640 an outstanding traffic warrant. 118 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,320 Lisa says, quote, that was inhumane. 119 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,280 The people who were supposed to protect us were playing games, end quote. 120 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:50,080 In 2007, Lynn's family was able to sit down and review the police file on Lynn's disappearance 121 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,760 and found many inconsistencies. 122 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:57,840 The biggest flaw, the family felt, was that Lynn's ex-boyfriend, Frank, wasn't examined 123 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,220 more closely. 124 00:07:59,220 --> 00:08:04,000 The police did interview Frank, but the family does not believe it was enough. 125 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,480 According to Lisa, quote, the interview consisted of them standing at his door and asking him 126 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:09,480 a question. 127 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,920 They interviewed him for five minutes. 128 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,120 My mom and dad sat outside the door and watched, end quote. 129 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:22,580 In 2008, the case was reopened by the Hot Springs police and reclassified as a homicide. 130 00:08:22,580 --> 00:08:26,760 Police say they do have a suspect whose statements have been inconsistent. 131 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,360 Police search wooded areas and fields, but nothing related to Lynn is found, per the 132 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:32,360 police. 133 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,920 When the police do reopen the case, they put the family in touch with the National Center 134 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,080 for Missing and Exploited Children. 135 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:43,080 The center does produce an age-progress photo of Lynn on what she might look like at 38. 136 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,600 Lisa becomes heavily involved with the volunteering for the organization, and it's something 137 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,000 that she continues to do to this day. 138 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:55,960 In 2010, police bring cadaver dogs to a heavily wooded area searching for clues related to 139 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:56,960 Lynn. 140 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:03,080 The Hot Springs police sergeant, Jeffrey Micah, told the media again that they do have a suspect 141 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,000 in the case, but they declined to release the person's name. 142 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,680 And that is truly the last update I could find around Lynn's case. 143 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:16,720 Lisa has done an incredible job keeping Lynn's case in the public eye and with her volunteer 144 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,560 work at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, but there have been no 145 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:26,400 new leads or police activity that have been reported in regards to Lynn's disappearance. 146 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:31,320 The family honors Lynn every holiday season by handing out what they call Lynn bags to 147 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,920 people experiencing homelessness. 148 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:40,480 In the bags, they put socks, gloves, toiletries, food, and a crisp $5 bill to hand out to those 149 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:41,480 in need. 150 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,480 According to the family, when they hand the bags out to those who need it, their eyes 151 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,760 light up and they get to experience Lynn's bright eyes once again. 152 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,080 And this is how they honor her memory, which is really beautiful. 153 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:59,000 But that is really all we know about the disappearance of Jeffrey Lynn Smith. 154 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,640 So if you know anything about the disappearance of Lynn Smith or her whereabouts today, you 155 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:10,960 are encouraged to call the Hot Springs police at 501-321-6789. 156 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:16,920 And the sources for the timeline come from the Baxter Bulletin, KARK News, Lisa Murray's 157 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:22,360 personal YouTube channel, News One, and rblackgirls.com. 158 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:27,040 So that is the case of Jeffrey Lynn Smith. 159 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,600 This was a case that I actually knew about. 160 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:40,840 And it was only a case that I knew some information about because it was one that I happened to 161 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:51,400 come across in my own, you know, just in, I guess, offshoot investigative true crime 162 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:56,800 work when I'm on the internet by myself and looking. 163 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:02,920 Her case was one that I came across and just saw that maybe someone had written about it, 164 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,040 I think. 165 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:15,160 And I, unfortunately, like this, it makes me like kind of embarrassed to say, like, 166 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:16,760 I couldn't remember the name. 167 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,240 All I could remember was how mishandled it seemed. 168 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,680 I guess those are my first reactions is that it was one that I kind of knew about. 169 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:27,600 And once you started talking, I was like, oh, yeah, I remember her name and that she 170 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,840 goes by or went by her middle name predominantly. 171 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:39,640 And this just gives me like a little choked up just that she was very small. 172 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,680 I remember that she was small. 173 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:47,200 Yeah, she was 16 years old in 1985 when she went missing. 174 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,720 So she was a very petite young woman. 175 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:56,020 Yeah, I guess I would like to course correct a little bit. 176 00:11:56,020 --> 00:11:59,320 My comment on that is I am around the same height. 177 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:06,640 I know that I am small and just how easy it is to be taken advantage of physically when 178 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:12,160 you are small and like the extra heartbreak around that because like people know that 179 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:18,040 they can take advantage of people who are smaller more easily, you know. 180 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:26,520 My question for you, though, coming into this is what what do you have to say about the 181 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:34,840 boyfriend, because I know you gave the telling of the story, but I'm very interested in your 182 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,720 thoughts and opinions on that. 183 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:44,400 I think you always need to eliminate the last person who saw the person before they disappeared 184 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,940 or you know, before they were murdered. 185 00:12:46,940 --> 00:12:51,940 You have to cross them out almost in the same way that, you know, when people are married, 186 00:12:51,940 --> 00:12:53,840 you have to cross the spouse out. 187 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:58,260 Like you have to start there and then kind of work your way out. 188 00:12:58,260 --> 00:13:04,600 So to me, when the family talks about that they do not believe that the boyfriend was 189 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:10,880 investigated thoroughly, and really it's Lynn's sister, Lisa, doing a lot of the investigation 190 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:16,860 of contacting ex-girlfriends of this guy and transcribing those interviews and then sending 191 00:13:16,860 --> 00:13:17,860 it to police. 192 00:13:17,860 --> 00:13:24,080 So it's pretty clear that the family thinks that there needs to be more investigation 193 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:30,040 into him if for no other reason because he was the last person to see her before she 194 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:31,040 disappeared. 195 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,040 She never made it home. 196 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,800 We know that she was pretty close to home, but she never made it there. 197 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,100 So why? 198 00:13:37,100 --> 00:13:40,980 And if Frank did not do it, what did he see? 199 00:13:40,980 --> 00:13:42,240 Did he see any cars? 200 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,800 Did he see any people walking with them? 201 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,920 You know, was anybody on the sidewalk? 202 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:55,620 I think those are all questions that I would want answered if I, you know, was looking 203 00:13:55,620 --> 00:13:57,960 into this case and allowed to investigate it. 204 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:02,840 Those are all things that I would be asking and wanting to know and wanting to get a consistent 205 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:03,840 answer. 206 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,040 The police do say they have a suspect. 207 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,440 They've never released the name in the case, but they do say that the suspect has been 208 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,240 inconsistent with their statements. 209 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:17,400 So that's something too, where is the inconsistencies coming from? 210 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,560 That's something I would be very curious about. 211 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,040 Oh, thank you for that. 212 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:30,240 And circling back to Lynn's sister, just what an incredible human being, like what she's 213 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:37,040 done since her sister's disappearance. 214 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:43,680 Even if I'm not mistaken, she moved away and then moved back with kind of like the intention 215 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:51,880 to devote a significant portion of her life to finding answers about what happened to 216 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,880 her sister, right? 217 00:14:53,880 --> 00:15:03,760 Yeah, just, I don't know if she'll hear this or anyone who knows her, but you're an amazing 218 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:14,760 person and while I don't understand what it is to go through experiencing a loved one 219 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:23,400 being missing or not having answers, I am now in a new chapter of my life where I understand 220 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:30,800 loss and the permanence that it takes up in you. 221 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:35,960 I know I've mentioned it before with other people who've dedicated their lives to finding 222 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,520 answers about their missing loved ones. 223 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:45,880 Again, I'm just echoing it here of like, when you are dedicating your life, you are dedicating 224 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:51,080 every part of you to doing this. 225 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:57,200 I just think that she's an incredible person and a great sister. 226 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:08,840 To speak more on her boyfriend, Frank, I wasn't necessarily asking because I think or thought 227 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,720 that it was him. 228 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:16,760 Unfortunately, I think with the existence of podcasts and just like true crime exposure 229 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:25,560 and media, the first 48 or whatever has notably ruined some people's lives when they weren't 230 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,600 the person who committed the crime. 231 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:36,720 And you are, oh, I love you and I think you are amazing, but you are so mindful of that 232 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:44,360 even when you know a cold case like this is presenting itself with a very possible like, 233 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,400 maybe this guy did it, you still speak about it with mindfulness. 234 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:54,160 So my next question to you is, and I can't remember if you mentioned this already, but 235 00:16:54,160 --> 00:17:00,600 why did they, why did they first go in the direction of a runaway? 236 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:01,820 I don't know for sure. 237 00:17:01,820 --> 00:17:07,200 The police never really say their reasoning behind why they classified this as a runaway. 238 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:14,040 But given the South in 1985, I would think that this is a young black girl who didn't 239 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,000 come home one day. 240 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,400 And the police just weren't that worried about it. 241 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:23,960 So what's kind of the easiest thing for a minor is to say they ran away and they'll 242 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:30,120 be on the lookout, you know, even though again, Lynn had no history of running away. 243 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:33,280 She had no history of even missing her curfew. 244 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:39,360 Like her family is very solid in their response that she was like a good girl. 245 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:43,960 And even if you're quote, a bad kid, like you absolutely deserve to be looked for, but 246 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:49,360 this was so outside of the normal for Lynn, like she really respected and minded her parents 247 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:54,880 and kept to the curfew that they set for her and certainly wouldn't stay out all night. 248 00:17:54,880 --> 00:18:00,400 So I think that it was just the police not really caring. 249 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:01,960 Yeah. 250 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:10,640 Thank you for saying it as blatantly as I thought when I heard it was this is a pure 251 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:22,760 example of systemic racism and it's just disgusting and heartbreaking to know that they just didn't 252 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:27,400 care that it just wasn't even anything else. 253 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:34,920 Yeah, you know, one thing that Lisa did talk about one of her goals kind of in reaching 254 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:39,980 out and creating her own, you know, she created her own YouTube channel where she talks about 255 00:18:39,980 --> 00:18:45,640 Lynn's case and also talks, you know, kind of interviews her mother, Clarice, on, you 256 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,360 know, how Lynn got the name Jeffrey Lynn. 257 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:56,860 And I would hope that at some point the media really picks up the story and runs with it. 258 00:18:56,860 --> 00:19:02,780 And Mr. Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton can hear about it because I, you know, however 259 00:19:02,780 --> 00:19:08,440 you feel about them, they're people with immense power, immense money, immense influence, 260 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:13,560 and they can pour money into this investigation and not miss a beat out of their lives. 261 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:19,440 And that was like a goal of Lisa's was to get this to Bill Clinton somehow. 262 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,720 And like the family acknowledges, like, you know, the Clintons don't owe them anything. 263 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:28,280 But if Bill Clinton is a humanitarian, as he claims to be, and the same with Hillary, 264 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:35,480 then this is something they should be interested in, especially having the connection of Clarice, 265 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:43,000 Lynn's mother, being a housekeeper for Bill Clinton's mother and a nanny to his brother, 266 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,000 who was, I believe, 13 at the time. 267 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,520 So he knew Clarice very well and knew her through her pregnancy. 268 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:55,120 Clarice tells the story of when she was pregnant with Lynn, Bill Clinton came in, he was visiting 269 00:19:55,120 --> 00:20:00,200 his family and he was out for a jog and came in and saw that Clarice was pregnant and asked 270 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,520 her if she was going to eat a peanut butter and banana sandwich, because all pregnant 271 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,680 women eat that, you know, they get those weird cravings or whatever. 272 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,760 And she said no, like she was like, no, I'm not eating that. 273 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,120 But you know, so there while there wasn't a lot of interaction between Bill and Clarice, 274 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:22,640 like there was like she was in his family's home, caring for his siblings, caring for 275 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:29,000 the mother, I believe, according to Clarice, Bill Clinton's mom was a nurse and she helped 276 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,880 deliver Lynn. 277 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,640 She was there when Lynn was born. 278 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,960 So there's deep family connection there. 279 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:44,120 And I've personally never had a housekeeper or a nanny in my home as a child or as an 280 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:45,120 adult. 281 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:47,640 That's that's never been part of my lifestyle. 282 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:54,760 But if I had somebody working in my home like that, and somebody that they loved went missing, 283 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:59,880 even if I didn't know them personally, I would be very invested in getting an answer 284 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:04,440 for them a resolution or if nothing else, just support. 285 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,840 And that could come in a lot of ways, you know, that can come from just being a physical 286 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,480 presence there, being a shoulder to lean on. 287 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:17,400 And in cases where people do have housekeepers and nannies, it could be financial support, 288 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,840 like supporting the family so they can look full time. 289 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,680 Those are all things that can happen with Bill Clinton involved. 290 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:25,680 Absolutely. 291 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:31,480 I would hope that someday soon the media picks this up, runs with it. 292 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:37,640 It somehow gets to him and they can just pour money into the case and into the family and 293 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:43,080 into the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and get a resolution because the answers 294 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,400 are out there. 295 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:49,600 It's clear that the police do have some ideas maybe about what happened. 296 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:54,240 They continually search wooded areas, fields, they bring in cadaver dogs. 297 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,640 We don't know if anything was ever found in those searches. 298 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:02,800 It's kind of clear that they think it has to do with a deserted area. 299 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,600 So let's get the teams in there. 300 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:06,720 Let's get the dogs in there. 301 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,900 Let's get the searchers in there that are all over the nation. 302 00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:14,160 Let's get them into Hot Springs, Arkansas and find out what happened to Lynn. 303 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:21,640 So again, if you know anything about the disappearance of Lynn Smith in 1985 or her whereabouts today, 304 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:28,920 please call the Hot Springs Police at 501-321-6789. 305 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,640 And we mentioned that there is an age progress photo. 306 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:36,020 We will be posting that on our Instagram along with some other photos that we found of Lynn 307 00:22:36,020 --> 00:22:37,480 through the years. 308 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,240 So please, if 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