Cold and Missing: Tiesha Sargeant

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,780The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts.200:00:13,780 --> 00:00:18,400All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.300:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,160Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages.400:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,560Listener discretion is advised.500:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,280I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski.600:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,680And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski.700:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,200And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases.800:00:34,200 --> 00:00:35,960Hello everyone and welcome back.900:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,360I'm your host, Ali.1000:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,140And I'm your co-host, Eli.1100:00:39,140 --> 00:00:42,600And this is Cold and Missing, episode 71.1200:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,300We're in the 70s now.1300:00:44,300 --> 00:00:46,480And you have a new case for us this week, right?1400:00:46,480 --> 00:00:47,480I sure do.1500:00:47,480 --> 00:00:49,440We are on a cold case this week.1600:00:49,440 --> 00:00:50,440Awesome.1700:00:50,440 --> 00:00:51,440Let's get to it.1800:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,620So today we are covering the cold case of Tiesha Sargeant.1900:00:55,620 --> 00:01:00,160And this takes place in May of 2006 in Brooklyn, New York.2000:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,920But first a little bit about Tiesha.2100:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,500Tiesha is a brilliant young woman.2200:01:04,500 --> 00:01:09,480She was 26 years old in 2006 and she would have been 44 years old today.2300:01:09,480 --> 00:01:16,120Family and friends describe her as a lovely, charming, and an overachieving kind of person.2400:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,080She was a first generation as both of her parents were from Guyana.2500:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,760During her middle school years, Tiesha was accepted into the Prep for Prep program.2600:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,400Prep for Prep is a program in New York City for young people of color to get scholarships2700:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,160to the city's best private schools.2800:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,640Basically they take kind of standardized tests.2900:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,280And if you score high enough, you take more tests and IQ tests.3000:01:39,280 --> 00:01:44,840And eventually you get placed into this program if you score well enough, which Tiesha did.3100:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,440She went above and beyond.3200:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,720Tiesha was accepted into the Brealey School, where she excelled.3300:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,160Tiesha was the co-head of the student government.3400:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,840The junior prom princess, second soprano in the chorus, dominated the field hockey team3500:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,080and even tutored younger kids in her free time.3600:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,000So yeah, she did everything.3700:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,760She was everywhere all the time.3800:02:07,760 --> 00:02:12,440Tiesha went on to attend Wesleyan University in Connecticut, where she began to explore3900:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,100racial identity politics.4000:02:15,100 --> 00:02:19,560She penned many papers about the role of black women in society and wanted to pursue more4100:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,900writing after college.4200:02:21,900 --> 00:02:27,800After graduating, Tiesha hopped around from a few different corporate jobs, but in 20064300:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,680she had just started working for the publishing giant Conde Nast in Manhattan.4400:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,040She was working as a web designer, but the freelance nature of her job gave her time4500:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,160to write in the evenings, which she loved.4600:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,840So now a timeline of events.4700:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,280Tiesha, in 2006, was living with her boyfriend, Keve Huggins.4800:02:47,280 --> 00:02:52,320They live on a second floor walk-up apartment in Prospect Lefferts Gardens in Brooklyn,4900:02:52,320 --> 00:02:53,320New York.5000:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,920This is just blocks away from where Tiesha grew up.5100:02:55,920 --> 00:03:00,040Tiesha loves Keve and believes that this is who she is supposed to spend the rest of her5200:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,040life with.5300:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,880Her friends said that they could hear her smiling through the phone when she talked5400:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,040about him.5500:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,240Some people in Tiesha's life expressed concerns about their relationship.5600:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,240There was often money and guns around the apartment, and Keve was selling weed out5700:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,120of the home when Tiesha was at work without her knowing.5800:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,800Tiesha defends her relationship and Keve.5900:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,960Tiesha tells a friend, quote, as long as he's not disrespectful to me or the relationship,6000:03:24,960 --> 00:03:25,960I'm good.6100:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,080I've told him that.6200:03:27,080 --> 00:03:28,560End quote.6300:03:28,560 --> 00:03:34,720On Saturday, May 13th, Keve had been selling weed during the day, and he says he sold around6400:03:34,720 --> 00:03:40,280$6,000 of weed that day, made up of amongst three or four deals.6500:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,360Later that evening, Keve's cell phone rang, and when he picks up, he's on the receiving6600:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,320end of a threatening phone call.6700:03:46,320 --> 00:03:47,840He doesn't think much about it.6800:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,680He eventually falls asleep on the couch.6900:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,080Sunday, the next day, was his birthday.7000:03:52,080 --> 00:03:57,480In the late hours of Saturday to the early morning of Sunday, May 14th, which is also7100:03:57,480 --> 00:04:02,560Mother's Day, three intruders climbed through the couple's second-floor window and caught7200:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,620Keve by surprise, who was asleep on the couch.7300:04:05,620 --> 00:04:10,300One of the intruders pushed Tiesha on top of Keve and tied them up before putting a sheet7400:04:10,300 --> 00:04:11,620over both of them.7500:04:11,620 --> 00:04:15,480From the reports, it seems like they were face-to-face, Tiesha and Keve.7600:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,760The gunman fired once and shot Tiesha in the back of the head.7700:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,320A police source told newspaper, quote, he lives.7800:04:22,320 --> 00:04:23,320She doesn't.7900:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,640They were so close he heard her sigh when she was hit.8000:04:26,640 --> 00:04:27,920End quote.8100:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,920This all happens around 1.30 a.m.8200:04:30,920 --> 00:04:37,080As the intruders fled the apartment with $5,000 and Keve's cell phone, Keve calls the police,8300:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,520I'm assuming using Tiesha's phone or another phone that was available in the apartment.8400:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,960Keve tells police about Tiesha's murder and the break-in.8500:04:44,960 --> 00:04:50,320The thieves did leave behind a gun behind their apartment.8600:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,880Keve was not injured at all in the break-in.8700:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,320When police arrived, they do announce Tiesha dead on the scene, and they also find weed8800:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,880in the apartment, which Keve readily admits that he was selling.8900:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,600They bring him downtown for an interview, but they don't call him a suspect immediately.9000:05:05,600 --> 00:05:10,440They do end up arresting him on drug-related charges, since they did find just under four9100:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,720ounces of weed in the apartment.9200:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,400Police find that unloaded gun in the backyard, but they do not believe that this was the9300:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,720murder weapon.9400:05:18,720 --> 00:05:23,400On Tuesday, May 16th, family and friends are shocked by the death of Tiesha.9500:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,600Her friend, Corrin Mills, says, quote, she was a star, ambitious, motivated, beautiful,9600:05:28,600 --> 00:05:29,600kind.9700:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,040It is just unfathomable to all of us.9800:05:32,040 --> 00:05:33,240End quote.9900:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,560Police continue to investigate the murder.10000:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,720Again, a police source close to the investigation says, quote, either way, this young woman10100:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,840was innocent, end quote.10200:05:42,840 --> 00:05:48,920Keve, who had been arrested on the drug-related charges, does make bail that evening and leaves10300:05:48,920 --> 00:05:49,920prison.10400:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,520Tiesha's family and friends beg that anyone who has ever bought weed from their apartment10500:05:54,520 --> 00:05:59,160come forward, and that anyone who knows anything about Tiesha's murder to come forward with10600:05:59,160 --> 00:06:00,680that information.10700:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,220On Wednesday, May 17th, Tiesha is laid to rest.10800:06:04,220 --> 00:06:08,280Her family and friends gather for her funeral service and say goodbye.10900:06:08,280 --> 00:06:11,840Her family is distraught over this senseless killing.11000:06:11,840 --> 00:06:17,000Her friend, Corrin, says, quote, everyone is reeling and so very, very, very angry about11100:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,940this relationship, this new boyfriend.11200:06:19,940 --> 00:06:22,960We are shocked because this was not on anyone's radar.11300:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,960Tiesha was a special person.11400:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,160There was no reason to worry that anything bad would have ever happened to her.11500:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,160End quote.11600:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,360And although her friend does say that this is a new boyfriend, they had been dating for11700:06:34,360 --> 00:06:39,100about a year at this point and had just moved in together in their Brooklyn apartment just11800:06:39,100 --> 00:06:41,160a few months before the murder.11900:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,040Police continue to question Keve about Tiesha's murder, and he's being very cooperative with12000:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,520police at this time.12100:06:46,520 --> 00:06:51,440The police tell the newspapers, quote, we are looking at him, at everything, especially12200:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,500his recent drug dealings.12300:06:53,500 --> 00:06:55,400The victim is shot and killed.12400:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,160The boyfriend not only survives, he is not hurt in any way.12500:06:59,160 --> 00:07:00,240End quote.12600:07:00,240 --> 00:07:05,880On Thursday, May 18th, just four days after the murder, Tiesha's father, Henry, speaks12700:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,760to the public for the first time.12800:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,680Henry is still dazed from the death of his daughter, but he does not blame Keve for12900:07:11,680 --> 00:07:12,680what happened.13000:07:12,680 --> 00:07:17,300Keve continues to cooperate with police and returns back to the apartment to walk police13100:07:17,300 --> 00:07:18,520through the night.13200:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,760Police are looking into the threatening phone call that Keve received just hours before13300:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,500the break-in and murder.13400:07:24,500 --> 00:07:27,640Police also try to get Keve to take a polygraph test.13500:07:27,640 --> 00:07:32,720At first, he readily agrees, but just as quickly, he changes his mind and refuses to submit13600:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,280to the polygraph.13700:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,680The next update comes about a month later, on June 24th.13800:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,040Police release a sketch of the suspect.13900:07:41,040 --> 00:07:46,160The sketch comes from Keve, who briefly saw a man holding a gun before the sheet was placed14000:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,680over him and Tiesha.14100:07:47,680 --> 00:07:52,800Tiesha's father, Henry, who originally was supportive of Keve, has turned icy against14200:07:52,800 --> 00:07:53,800him.14300:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,520Henry says, quote, you sold drugs from this place without my daughter knowing.14400:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,300You put her in danger.14500:07:59,300 --> 00:08:01,600There will always be a cloud following you.14600:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,320You need to take a polygraph test to satisfy me, the police, and yourself."14700:08:06,320 --> 00:08:07,320End quote.14800:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,240Henry pleads with Keve through the media to be upfront about what he knows.14900:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,720Henry says that Keve has never been clear on how he was tied up and couldn't do anything15000:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,360to protect his daughter.15100:08:17,360 --> 00:08:22,760Keve, in an interview with a reporter, told them that he woke up with his hands bound15200:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,740around Tiesha and held together with a zip tie.15300:08:25,740 --> 00:08:29,240It was only after the shot that he was able to break free.15400:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,280Keve said that even though they were face to face and Tiesha was still alive, that she15500:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,120didn't say anything in those final moments.15600:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,640At this point in time, Keve has lawyered up, but him and his lawyers are saying that15700:08:40,640 --> 00:08:45,080he is willing to take the polygraph test now and police and Tiesha's family are hopeful15800:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,080that he will keep his word.15900:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,160At the beginning of July, Keve sits down with New York Magazine to tell his side of16000:08:51,160 --> 00:08:52,160the story.16100:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,440Keve says, quote, that was my girlfriend.16200:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,480She was going to be my future wife.16300:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,480I don't have any reason to hold back information, but the police have nothing to go on.16400:09:01,480 --> 00:09:02,920They need a bad guy.16500:09:02,920 --> 00:09:03,920End quote.16600:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,800Keve also mentions in this interview that hours after Tiesha was murdered, a call was16700:09:08,800 --> 00:09:14,720made to her cell phone using his phone, which had been stolen by the three intruders.16800:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,760Keve claims that the police have made no effort in tracking where the phone call came16900:09:18,760 --> 00:09:19,840from.17000:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,920In September of 2006, four months after the murder, Keve finally takes the polygraph17100:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,680test, but the results are inconclusive.17200:09:28,680 --> 00:09:34,180Keve will say that he did pass a polygraph test that his lawyer administrated, but the17300:09:34,180 --> 00:09:37,040police polygraph comes back inconclusive.17400:09:37,040 --> 00:09:41,160It's shortly after this that the case really falls out of the media.17500:09:41,160 --> 00:09:47,120In May of 2008, it's been two years since Tiesha was killed, police still have no suspects17600:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,440in the case.17700:09:48,440 --> 00:09:53,280Keve has never been named a suspect in Tiesha's case officially, but he's never been ruled17800:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,040out publicly by the police either.17900:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,160Police still seem to believe that Keve knows more than what he has told police.18000:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,840A reporter for the Daily News reaches out to Keve for a statement, but he doesn't18100:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,080have much to say.18200:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,840When asked if he had any idea who killed Tiesha, he says, quote, I'm not going to go guessing18300:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,920two years after the fact.18400:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,360End quote.18500:10:13,360 --> 00:10:21,000In 2017, it's now been 11 years since Tiesha's murder, the NYPD announces that they are officially18600:10:21,000 --> 00:10:26,500reopening her case in the cold case squad, but since then there has been no updates and18700:10:26,500 --> 00:10:28,320no arrests.18800:10:28,320 --> 00:10:34,320So with that, if you know anything about the murder of Tiesha Sargeant in May of 2006,18900:10:34,320 --> 00:10:39,480please call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-577-TIPS.19000:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,800That's 1-800-577-TIPS.19100:10:42,800 --> 00:10:48,200And the sources for the timeline today come from the Daily News, Newsday, the New York19200:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,480Post and New York Magazine.19300:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,760So that is the case of Tiesha Sargeant.19400:10:55,760 --> 00:11:04,040Mostly my initial reaction to this case is just a huge wave of sadness.19500:11:04,040 --> 00:11:11,440What a brilliant mind to lose so senselessly and carelessly, like to leave the world.19600:11:11,440 --> 00:11:19,000I mean, I really enjoyed, and every time we cover a case, I really enjoy how much you19700:11:19,000 --> 00:11:25,040cover just who the person was as much as you can find out about them.19800:11:25,040 --> 00:11:33,020And I just feel a deep sadness that this soul didn't rightfully, you know, continue to exist19900:11:33,020 --> 00:11:34,020in the world.20000:11:34,020 --> 00:11:35,760That was my reaction too.20100:11:35,760 --> 00:11:41,560I just thought, like, what a brilliant mind and, like, beautiful person to have been taken20200:11:41,560 --> 00:11:42,560from this world.20300:11:42,560 --> 00:11:49,320Like, I think that had Tiesha lived, we would be reading her writing and she would have20400:11:49,320 --> 00:11:54,480gone really far in this life and would have been a leader and a prolific writer.20500:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,400I mean, she was so smart, just so smart.20600:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,240That's one thing that people said again and again was just how smart and brilliant she20700:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,320was.20800:12:03,320 --> 00:12:12,080I think my second reaction is all of the circumstances, just like life circumstances surrounding her20900:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,080boyfriend.21000:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,680Could you remind me his name again?21100:12:14,680 --> 00:12:15,680Keev Huggins.21200:12:15,680 --> 00:12:17,760Keev, thank you.21300:12:17,760 --> 00:12:23,240What I thought was, it just doesn't look good for this guy.21400:12:23,240 --> 00:12:30,200Especially at the time, there's a lot of negatives, like being ticked off there, you know, how21500:12:30,200 --> 00:12:36,760marijuana operates in our country right now is so different even from, well, this was21600:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,000about 15 years ago now.21700:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,0002006.21800:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,480Yeah, so close to, it was such a different time.21900:12:43,480 --> 00:12:49,320So the way it was looked at socioeconomically, if you were selling, if you were buying, what22000:12:49,320 --> 00:12:55,740type of person you were, how people thought of you, the race of the person in relation22100:12:55,740 --> 00:12:57,720to marijuana at all.22200:12:57,720 --> 00:13:05,240So that's pretty much what I thought was whether he did it or not, it just, his circumstances22300:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,000really didn't help him.22400:13:07,000 --> 00:13:13,280Yeah, it just doesn't, it doesn't look and or sound great from my perspective.22500:13:13,280 --> 00:13:19,640No, you know, Keev is really cooperative with police in that first week or so.22600:13:19,640 --> 00:13:24,080And then, you know, they asked him to take a polygraph test, he refuses, and that's kind22700:13:24,080 --> 00:13:29,640of when the cooperation stops on his end with the police and with the investigation.22800:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,760The one thing that I just kind of keep coming back to, and it seems like this was a sticking22900:13:33,760 --> 00:13:41,200point for her family as well was how exactly did they get tied up without him being able23000:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,980to, you know, fight back.23100:13:43,980 --> 00:13:50,000From his own statement to the press, he was asleep on the couch and kind of woke up with23200:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,880Tiesha on top of him and his arms bound with zip ties.23300:13:54,880 --> 00:14:00,640And it's hard to imagine that someone gets put on top of you and your hands get zip tied23400:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,080without you waking up in that process at all.23500:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,440Just like kind of waking up just moments before the sheet is put over both of them.23600:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,660Like that's that's really the point where I'm like, something is there maybe that isn't23700:14:12,660 --> 00:14:16,200being said or maybe at least not publicly.23800:14:16,200 --> 00:14:21,240Probably it has been said to investigators, but that's just when I try to like imagine23900:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,600what was happening, I just I can't really figure that part out at all.24000:14:25,600 --> 00:14:34,120Yeah, as someone who this isn't really a reveal, I guess to you as someone who has unfortunately24100:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,600been in handcuffs before, not for anything too serious.24200:14:37,600 --> 00:14:43,960I'm sober and so much I make so much so many better decisions now in my life, but I have24300:14:43,960 --> 00:14:50,800had the unfortunate experience of having my hands handcuffed, which I know from listening24400:14:50,800 --> 00:14:56,280to true crime and stuff is pretty similar to at least the tension that would be created24500:14:56,280 --> 00:15:02,140with your hands behind your back, zip tied around each.24600:15:02,140 --> 00:15:05,100So his hands actually weren't behind his back, according to him.24700:15:05,100 --> 00:15:09,300They were around Tiesha and zip tied behind her.24800:15:09,300 --> 00:15:14,080So that way he was kind of holding her and that's how they were tied up was like his24900:15:14,080 --> 00:15:19,200hands were holding her and then she's shot in the back of the head.25000:15:19,200 --> 00:15:28,160Well still, the the experience of having your hands like hands and arms restrained, that25100:15:28,160 --> 00:15:37,060is a physical experience that if you weren't initially awake for, you would probably actually25200:15:37,060 --> 00:15:38,880like sure as hell wake up.25300:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,240I just that part.25400:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,640Yeah, it's so unclear to me how it happened.25500:15:45,640 --> 00:15:53,440But again, I don't want to speculate and like really want to give this person the benefit25600:15:53,440 --> 00:15:54,440of the doubt.25700:15:54,440 --> 00:15:59,600Yeah, it's like the only way that I could see that happening was if you know, he falls25800:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,920asleep on the couch with Tiesha like kind of laying on top of him if they were cuddling25900:16:03,920 --> 00:16:10,200or something and fell asleep and he already had his hands around her.26000:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,320And then somebody comes in and zip ties them quickly, I could see how like maybe they would26100:16:14,320 --> 00:16:21,920get to you, like get you like kind of incapacitated before you fully wake up to realize what's26200:16:21,920 --> 00:16:22,920happening.26300:16:22,920 --> 00:16:28,620But from his own statements, it doesn't seem like Tiesha was asleep on the couch with him.26400:16:28,620 --> 00:16:32,880It seemed like she had gone to bed and he fell asleep on the couch.26500:16:32,880 --> 00:16:39,920So you know, Tiesha was a small girl, but she still weighed, you know, 120 pounds, I bet.26600:16:39,920 --> 00:16:46,280And so like for 120 pound body to be put on you, wrap your arms around them zip tied and26700:16:46,280 --> 00:16:47,360then you kind of wake up.26800:16:47,360 --> 00:16:52,360I just feel like you would have woken up when she was placed on you.26900:16:52,360 --> 00:16:58,520But maybe there is a detail in there that we are not made aware of.27000:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,520And again, I hope that that has been told to investigators.27100:17:01,520 --> 00:17:07,720But yeah, that's like really a sticking point for me is how exactly did this happen?27200:17:07,720 --> 00:17:14,320There is also a part of me that, you know, just has willingness to understand him.27300:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,960When he sat down for that interview and said, you know, they need a bad guy.27400:17:17,960 --> 00:17:23,920I feel for him a little bit where I'm like, yeah, it's pretty easy here to draw as many27500:17:23,920 --> 00:17:31,560conclusions as you want that somehow, you know, it's this guy who did it, he committed27600:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,720the crime or whatever.27700:17:33,720 --> 00:17:40,440I I don't I feel like it sounds like devil's advocate or whatever.27800:17:40,440 --> 00:17:48,880I just circumstantially I understood that where he was coming from, at least from that27900:17:48,880 --> 00:17:56,120that comment, but I just wish he would have been continuously cooperative.28000:17:56,120 --> 00:18:03,120I guess I could understand why he would be afraid to say yes to a polygraph.28100:18:03,120 --> 00:18:12,360Like initially without a lawyer, you know, there's there's room in my mind there to28200:18:12,360 --> 00:18:19,600understand why he acted the way that he did with police and there's room for me to wish28300:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,760that he had chosen otherwise.28400:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,320That makes sense.28500:18:24,320 --> 00:18:25,320Yeah.28600:18:25,320 --> 00:18:32,560And you know, my my knee jerk, my gut reaction is that I don't think that Keve did kill28700:18:32,560 --> 00:18:33,560Tiesha.28800:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,560I don't think that he was the murderer.28900:18:36,560 --> 00:18:43,520I wonder if part of, you know, the sheet being put over them, which I do believe happened,29000:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,760nothing from the police is, you know, contradicted of that.29100:18:46,760 --> 00:18:51,960But I wonder if like him saying that he was asleep and he woke up and just saw one person29200:18:51,960 --> 00:18:58,160with a gun before the sheet was put over them, if that's him just like not trying to like29300:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,800rat anybody else out.29400:19:00,800 --> 00:19:06,680I'm not a criminal mastermind or anything like that, but I know that sometimes in the29500:19:06,680 --> 00:19:15,400world of drug dealing and, you know, illicit activity that even if something terrible happens,29600:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,920like a murder of a loved one, like you even if you know who did it, you still don't rat29700:19:19,920 --> 00:19:20,920on them.29800:19:20,920 --> 00:19:21,920You don't snitch on them.29900:19:21,920 --> 00:19:22,920That happens.30000:19:22,920 --> 00:19:23,920That has happened.30100:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,760It will probably happen again.30200:19:25,760 --> 00:19:31,400So I just like wonder if that's kind of playing a part here as well.30300:19:31,400 --> 00:19:41,440I guess my question now is just sort of a recap on where law enforcement has left off30400:19:41,440 --> 00:19:51,080and yeah, where this case is now and where this case is now and what we can do to help30500:19:51,080 --> 00:19:58,480get Tiesha's name back out there if there's more that we can do now that this case is30600:19:58,480 --> 00:20:04,760at the forefront of our minds and all of our listeners.30700:20:04,760 --> 00:20:12,200As I mentioned in 2017, the New York Police Department's cold case squad officially reopened30800:20:12,200 --> 00:20:21,680Tiesha's case, but since 2017, there really hasn't been any movement officially from police30900:20:21,680 --> 00:20:22,760on this case.31000:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,000There's been no arrests.31100:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,740There's been no suspects.31200:20:25,740 --> 00:20:33,040The only kind of piece we have of the suspect is the sketch that was made by police provided31300:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,640from the description that Keefe gave them.31400:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,160So that's really where we're at.31500:20:38,160 --> 00:20:43,200You know, there were three people that broke into the apartment according to Keefe.31600:20:43,200 --> 00:20:49,400So that's three people who potentially have talked since then, potentially have mentioned31700:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,500something, potentially have said something in their sleep, have said something drunkenly.31800:20:54,500 --> 00:21:00,940So that's three opportunities for someone to slip and say something that will eventually31900:21:00,940 --> 00:21:07,140bring the killer or killers to justice for Tiesha.32000:21:07,140 --> 00:21:12,560And again, if you know anything about the murder of Tiesha, please call Crimestoppers32100:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,120at 1-800-577-TIPS.32200:21:16,120 --> 00:21:21,880That's 1-800-577-8477.32300:21:21,880 --> 00:21:29,520While you are listening to this episode, it would be so wonderful and so appreciated on32400:21:29,520 --> 00:21:39,160our end if you are listening in Apple podcasts, if you could rate, review, and please, please,32500:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,160please 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