Cold and Missing: The Burger Chef Murders - Part 2

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The views and opinions expressed in Cold and

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Missing are exclusively those of the hosts. All

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parties mentioned are considered innocent until

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proven guilty in a court of law. Cold and Missing

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also contains adult themes and languages. Listener

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discretion is advised. I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin

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-Sulkowski. And I'm your co -host, Eli Sulkowski.

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And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover

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cold cases and missing person cases. Hello, everyone,

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and welcome back to Cold and Missing. I'm your

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host, Ali. And I'm your co -host, Eli. Welcome

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back, everyone. Housekeeping right at the top

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of the episode. This is a two -parter episode,

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and this is part two. So if you have not listened

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to last week, if this is your first time joining

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us, thank you so much for being here. But go

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back and listen to last week's episode. There's

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a lot of details in there that will be relevant

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to part two, to this one. But other than that,

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we are on episode 142, part two. So let's go

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ahead and get into it. Let's not keep anyone

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waiting any longer. Let's do it. So just as a

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quick content warning at the top, this case does

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involve young people, and there are some brief

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mentions of sexual assault and death by suicide.

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Once again today, we are talking about the murders

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of Jayne Friedt, Mark Flemmons, Ruth Ellen Shelton,

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and Danny Davis, or better known as the Burger

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Chef murders. And this takes place in November

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of 1978. in Speedway, Indiana. So as we mentioned

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at the top, we're continuing our two -part series

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on the Burger Chef murders. So again, if you

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haven't listened to part one yet, go back and

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listen to it. In that episode, we walked through

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the night of November 17, 1978, when four young

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employees disappeared from their shifts at the

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Burger Chef in Speedway, Indiana. When we left

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off last week, Jayne’s car had been found abandoned

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just about a block and a half from the Speedway

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Police Department. But at this point, while investigators

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became more worried about the four employees,

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the Burger Chef was still cleared to be cleaned

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and opened the next day. So we are on the evening

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of Sunday, November 19th, 1978. Jayne, Danny,

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Ruth and Mark had all been abducted Friday evening

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around midnight. So around 3 p .m. in the afternoon,

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a couple was walking in Johnson County, Indiana,

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which was about 15 to 20 -ish miles away from

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Speedway. They were walking through the woods

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when they make a gruesome discovery. They stumble

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upon the bodies of Danny and Ruth. They found

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them face down next to a gravel road. The couple

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retreated from the woods to get to a phone and

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call police. When police arrive, they quickly

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locate Danny and Ruth's body. Police say that

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they were shot execution style, but they also

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mentioned that both of them were shot several

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times in the head and neck. It was later determined

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during the autopsy that they were ultimately

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killed with a .38 caliber gun. Police begin searching

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the area, and about 50 yards away, they find

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the body of Jayne. Jayne had been stabbed twice

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in the chest. Later during the autopsy, the four

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and a half inch blade was found in her chest.

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The handle had been broken off. Mark was quickly

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found after. While he was the farthest away,

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he had been closest to the main road. It's ultimately

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determined that he died as a result of choking

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on his own blood. Mark's death had been debated

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over the years. For some time, it was thought

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that maybe Mark had been running from his captors

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when he hit a tree full force, which caused him

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to fall and choke on his own blood. Today, when

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the case is talked about, police say that he

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died from being beat, and the way that he collapsed,

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he had choked on his blood. All of them were

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still in their Burger Chef uniforms, except for

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Danny. He was still in his uniform pants, but

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he had on a different shirt and jacket. Investigators

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don't put too much into this. They think that

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Danny likely changed after the restaurant closed.

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Jayne had been found with her car keys in her

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pocket and cash on her. Other of the victims

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were wearing jewelry and watches. Nothing had

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been taken. Police believe that they were all

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killed in the area where they were found. All

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of the bodies are sent for autopsy that same

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day. Ultimately, the autopsy puts the time of

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death around six hours after the abduction. The

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autopsy also shows that Jayne and Ruth had not

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been sexually assaulted. At the scene, police

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are able to collect some evidence. They are able

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to create a cast of tire tracks found in the

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area. They are also able to grab some prints

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from the scene, they report. Police also begin

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talking to residents. While the woods where the

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bodies were found were more secluded, there were

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houses nearby within shouting distance, so it

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was still a risky area. Several residents reported

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hearing gunshots and a dog barking just slightly

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after midnight on the night that they were abducted.

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One woman said that she awoke from her sleep

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from what sounded like a gunshot and a scream.

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Her husband sent her back to bed saying that

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the noise came from the TV show that he was watching.

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As news of the murders began to break around

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Speedway, the couple that had been smoking behind

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the Dunkin' Donuts, we mentioned them in the

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last episode, sees the news about the abduction

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and come forward to police. They tell police

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about the two men that had approached them. The

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day after the bodies are found, on Monday, November

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20th, Burger Chef announces a $25 ,000 reward

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for information. That same day as well, a maid

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calls the police because she was cleaning a Days

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Inn motel when she found a stack of Burger Chef

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time cards in the hallway. Police came and collected

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them. Ultimately, they decided they were not

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connected to the Burger Chef murders. The time

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cards were from 1975 and 1976 and from a completely

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different Burger Chef restaurant altogether.

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It appeared to just be a strange coincidence.

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Also that next day after the bodies were found,

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around 7 p .m. in the evening, Ruth's father

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starts getting harassing phone calls. The calls

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last through the night and into the next day,

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Tuesday, November 21st. The calls came in at

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3 a .m. and again at 8 a .m. In the investigation,

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police bring in the couple from behind the Dunkin'

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Donuts and put them under hypnosis to get a clear

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description of the two men that had approached

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them the night of the abduction. Police draw

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the suspects based off of the description given

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under hypnosis by the two teens. When the teens

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look at the sketches, they say that the drawings

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are 90 to 95 % accurate to what they remember

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the men looking like. Police release the sketches

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to the public as soon as possible. Tips immediately

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start pouring in about who the folks could be.

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People from all over Indiana were calling in

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to say that they knew the pair. However, police

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say that they believe that only 10 % of the tips

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that they're getting are good. Police also get

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reports from residents on Lupine Drive. Several

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residents reported to police that the night of

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the abductions, that Friday night into Saturday

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morning, They saw a car and a two -toned van,

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both without headlights on, speeding through

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the neighborhood around midnight. Ruth actually

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lived on Lupine Drive. One resident reported

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that she heard a scream as a van passed and that

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the car was full of kids. The two vehicles stopped

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and someone got out of the van and walked to

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the car. Other residents reported that the van

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and the car had slowed and stopped as well. The

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community is shook up by the murders. While being

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close to Indianapolis, Speedway typically does

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not have violent crime at this time. However,

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over the last few months, violent crimes had

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been on the rise. In July of that year, a 65

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-year -old woman had been shot, and in September,

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just a few months before the murders, there was

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a series of eight bombs that went off in the

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span of a week. It's determined later that the

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murder and the bombings were related to one another,

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and a man was arrested and charged in both of

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those cases. Just days after the murder, the

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funerals for all four young people happen. Hundreds

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turn out to pay their respects and to mourn the

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loss of four incredible young folks. After Ruth's

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funeral, her dad receives a taunting sympathy

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card from an anonymous person. Also, the night

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of her funeral, someone would ring his doorbell

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and when he answered, no one was there. No other

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families were reported to have received these

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harassing or anonymous phone calls and letters.

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On Friday, November 24th, a week since the abduction

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and murders, police unveil clay busts of the

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two men who had approached the couple behind

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the Dunkin' Donuts on the night of the abduction.

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These were based off of the sketches already

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released, but now investigators hoped that a

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three -dimensional likeness would help jog someone's

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memory. Police described one of the men as a

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white male, around 35 years old, around 5 '9",

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with a heavy build and medium complexion, weighing

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about 200 pounds. He had reddish -brown curly

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hair down to his neck, parted in the middle,

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and a full beard. The second man was described

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as white, about 30 years old, and 6 '2", which

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was taller than what was originally reported.

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He had a slender build and a lighter complexion.

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He had black hair parted on the left, combed

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across to the right, and was clean -shaven, though

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he did have stubble coming through. These descriptions

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came directly from the teenage couple who had

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been put under hypnosis. These were the descriptions

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that they gave. That next day, Saturday, November

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25th, police returned to the wooded area in Johnson

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County where the bodies had been found. They

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combed through the woods again, searching for

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anything that might have been missed in the initial

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sweep. Detectives noted that the gravel road

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leading to the crime scene was not well known

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to outsiders and theorized that at least one

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of the killers may have lived in or been familiar

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with the area. On Friday, December 1st, police

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in Cincinnati, Ohio contacted Speedway investigators.

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They had arrested a man in a string of home invasions

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who claimed to have information about the Burger

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Chef murders. Speedway detectives traveled to

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Ohio to interview him. The man passed a lie detector

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test and provided detailed knowledge about Indianapolis

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crimes and the Burger Chef murders, but investigators

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soon realized he only knew details that had already

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been reported in the newspaper. He pointed the

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finger at his jailhouse roommate, naming a man

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who had once lived in Indianapolis but had since

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moved to Cincinnati. This suspect was placed

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under surveillance, but his identity was never

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publicly released. Ultimately, it appears that

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he was ruled out. The local paper in Indianapolis

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was also offering an opportunity to submit tips

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anonymously but still have a chance at the reward

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money. They were instructed to write the tip

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on a piece of paper and then rip the bottom half

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of the paper in a unique way, whatever that meant

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to that person. On the tip that they send to

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the newspaper, they should also include a six

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-digit code that they wrote on the bottom half

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that was ripped off as well. The person submitting

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the tip would keep the bottom half, and then

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they would mail in their tip. If there was a

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tip that ultimately led to the arrest and therefore

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was entitled to reward money, the person who

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submitted the tip could come forward with the

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bottom half of the piece of paper, like as if

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it were a receipt. One letter was sent that police

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were particularly interested in. Investigators

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took the letter seriously. While it didn't provide

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exact details, it suggested knowledge of the

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crime and a possible method of operation during

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the robbery. Police made it clear in the newspaper

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that they wanted to talk to the writer of the

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letter. A few days later on Monday, December

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4th, so it's been just over two weeks since the

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murder, A man was leaving a bar on Indianapolis'

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north side and reported being abducted. He says

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that as he entered his car, a voice from the

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backseat told him, don't look back. The man was

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forced to drive to a park and then to his apartment,

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where the assailant stole his roommate's gun

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and several personal items before leaving with

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the man's car. Before fleeing, the kidnapper

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claimed he had been involved in the Burger Chef

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murders and would not hesitate to kill again.

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Approaching three weeks on Friday, December 8th,

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investigators admitted publicly that the case

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was starting to stall. The tip line was beginning

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to go quiet. And on Sunday, November 10th, police

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voiced one of their biggest questions. Why kill

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four teenagers for just over $500? Why take them

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to the woods at all? Why take them to woods where

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homes were within shouting distance? Nothing

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about the murder seemed to fit with a simple

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robbery. On Tuesday, December 12th, it's approaching

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a month since the murders, police followed up

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on a strange report of a man who resembled one

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of the composite sketches. He had stayed at a

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motel but skipped out on the bill, and he also

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told the staff that he was both a detective on

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the case of the Burger Chef murders and an uncle

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of one of the victims. It's unclear if they were

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ever able to locate this man. On Friday, December

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15th, Police received another letter from the

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original anonymous letter writer who they wanted

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to speak to. He claimed that there were three

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people involved in the Burger Chef robbery. According

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to the letter writer, the plan had only been

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to rob the restaurant and to tie the victims

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up, but things had spiraled out of control. One

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man did the shooting, one did the stabbing, and

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a third sat in the car. The letter claimed that

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this third man had been surprised by the killings

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and even tried to stop them, yelling out run

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when the first victim was shot. The writer begged

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for immunity for this third participant, promising

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that he would confess if he was protected. Police

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will offer immunity publicly in the paper, but

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no one ever comes forward claiming to be the

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third man or the letter writer. I don't know

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the full contents of the letter, but from what

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was published, there were no new details in the

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letter. Outside of the third man theory, all

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other information were things that had already

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been published in the newspaper. On Friday, December

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22nd, so just a little over a month since the

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murder, investigators say that they are running

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out of leads. The reward fund had grown to $26

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,000, which in today's money would be over $100

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,000, so a lot of money for 1978. But no one

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had come forward with verifiable information

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to get the reward. On New Year's Eve of 1978,

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so it's nearly seven weeks after the murders,

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police released their working theory of what

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happened. They believed that the Burger Chef

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had closed at 11 p .m. on Friday, November 17th,

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and the employees stayed to clean. At some point,

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Jayne walked next door to Dunkin' Donuts to grab

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a snack and returned. Police believe that either

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Mark or Danny took trash out the back door around

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midnight when they were ambushed by the killers.

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Because the back door was supposed to stay locked

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during closing, investigators theorized that

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one of the boys was forced to knock, and when

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others opened it, the assailants came inside.

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But then something went wrong, police think.

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Perhaps one of the employees recognized the attackers,

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or perhaps they accidentally spoke their real

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names to one another. The robbers ultimately

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stole $581 from the restaurant, but left behind

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hundreds in change. Police believe the four victims

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were forced into Jayne’s car and at least one

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other vehicle. They abandoned Jayne’s car near

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the police station and forced everyone into another

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vehicle. They were then driven to Johnson County,

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which would have taken around 30 minutes. Witnesses

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in nearby homes were called hearing gunshots

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and a scream around 1 a .m. The killers used

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three different methods of murder. Ruth and Danny

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were shot with a .38 caliber weapon. Jayne was

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stabbed twice with a blade that was broken off

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in her chest, and Mark died from severe head

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injuries and ultimately choking on his own blood.

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Police no longer believed that any of them had

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tried to run. There were no signs of struggle

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on any of their clothing, and none of them had

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mud on their shoes. Into the new year, 1979,

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and throughout the rest of 1979, quite frankly,

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investigators pursued a series of suspects and

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leads, but nothing panned out. There were a couple

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of interesting suspects, and police brought out

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psychological stress tests, there were more anonymous

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tips, and they even investigated a drug connection

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through the Burger Chef. But ultimately, none

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of these leads pan out, and they're all ruled

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out. By the first anniversary in November 1979,

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the investigation had been hampered by errors,

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rumors, and dead ends. It was revealed that one

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investigator had actually taken evidence from

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the scene. It was two pieces of ID, I believe

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from the same victim, and he put it in his coat

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pocket. He later turned over the evidence to

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a tech at a restaurant. Police at this point,

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at the one -year marking, have no leads in the

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case. The investigation continues behind the

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scenes. In October of 1980, so nearly two years

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since the murder, Police say Mark, one of the

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youngest, owed a drug pusher nearly $7 ,000.

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Police say at the time that they know who the

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drug dealer is, but they just don't have enough

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evidence to arrest him. This theory has dropped

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over the years. Today, when police talk about

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the Burger Chef murders, this $7 ,000 is not

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mentioned. In that same vein, just a few months

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later, Jayne’s brother is arrested in March of

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1981, so two years and four months since the

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murder. He is arrested on charges related to

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drugs. Police seem to pivot and think that this

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could have something to do with the murders.

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However, it does seem like police have also dropped

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this theory over the years. So fast forwarding

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a bit, in 1986, it was approaching the eight

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-year anniversary at this point. A man named

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Donald Forrester, who in 1986 was serving a 95

00:19:07.420 --> 00:19:10.700
-year prison sentence, confessed to participating

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in the murders. He gave details and even told

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police where to find buried evidence. But when

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police searched the areas, nothing was found.

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Days later, he recants his confession, saying

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he had only made it to gain protection in prison

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and to delay his other charges. Over the next

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decade, Police will follow dozens of leads, but

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still, police come up empty. Police believe that

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the only way this murder will be solved at this

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point is if someone makes a deathbed confession.

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In 2001, so 23 years since the murder, investigators

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submitted a hair that was found in a tree near

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the crime scene for DNA testing, but no usable

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results came back in 2001. In June of 2003, so

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over 25 years since the murder, retired police

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officers talk about the case with the media.

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They say that they believe they know who committed

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the crime, but they could never prove it with

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evidence. He does reveal this, that the night

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after the abduction, but before the bodies were

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found, a tip was called in. A man had been in

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a bar bragging about being involved in the murders.

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and he said that the bodies would turn up in

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the county where they ultimately were found.

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Police questioned the man who was bragging in

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the bar, and he said that he wasn't involved

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but knew the guys who were. He said that their

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M .O. was to hide behind dumpsters and then rob

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fast food joints when a worker came out to empty

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the trash. The two men were also very similar

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in appearance to the composite sketch of the

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two men seen in the area. Police located the

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two men and questioned them. They denied involvement

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in the Burger Chef crimes, but they were never

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able to give a rock -solid alibi. Police say

00:21:02.329 --> 00:21:05.009
they just could never crack these two. They would

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eventually go to jail on other fast food robberies.

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The man who had been in the bar bragging would

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ultimately kill himself later in life by a self

00:21:14.849 --> 00:21:19.049
-inflicted throat slashing. His son claimed that

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his father confessed shortly before his death

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that he was involved in the murders. In 2007,

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a palm print lifted from Jayne’s car was matched

00:21:29.059 --> 00:21:31.660
in the database, but the suspect was eventually

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cleared. It turned out that the palm print belonged

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to a friend of Jayne’s brothers who had been visiting

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the family before the murders. On the 40th anniversary

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of the murders in 2018, Indiana State Police

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released a photo of the broken knife used in

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killing Jayne, hoping someone might recognize

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it. And then this past year, in January 2024,

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the Burger Chef building, which had changed hands

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many times over the years, was finally torn down.

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In its place now stands a dentist office. But

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that is truly all we know about the Burger Chef

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murders. If you know anything about the Burger

00:22:12.859 --> 00:22:16.539
Chef murders in November of 1978, please call

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the Indiana State Police District Investigative

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Commander at 317 - 899 -8577 or 1 -800 -582 -8440.

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So that is the Burger Chef murders. I just want

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to start off by saying really just a thank you

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to you for connecting this pretty long timeline.

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You know, we did have to parcel these episodes

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into two episodes, and I think that was necessary

00:22:49.990 --> 00:22:53.480
for... how much information there was, and in

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the second half, really aligning them so that

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it followed a timeline. And I was able to follow

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along to the end. I definitely have questions

00:23:06.299 --> 00:23:11.059
as you were explaining the timeline to us, but

00:23:11.059 --> 00:23:13.599
there was a lot here. And I feel with what information

00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:18.279
you had, you really did some justice here for...

00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:21.420
the four people who lost their lives. And just

00:23:21.420 --> 00:23:25.019
to say their names again, Jayne, Danny, Mark,

00:23:25.180 --> 00:23:27.900
and Ruth Ellen, you know, ultimately they could

00:23:27.900 --> 00:23:31.460
all still be here later in life. And I think

00:23:31.460 --> 00:23:34.839
with the knowledge that we have about what happened

00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:37.460
in this case, the best thing to do is to keep

00:23:37.460 --> 00:23:41.640
talking about it and reporting on as much information

00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:44.140
that we have. And that's exactly what you did

00:23:44.140 --> 00:23:47.410
here. Thank you so much. Yeah. felt this case

00:23:47.410 --> 00:23:50.269
really needed two episodes like one to really

00:23:50.269 --> 00:23:52.309
get into the details of the abduction because

00:23:52.309 --> 00:23:56.069
I think there are a lot of clues there and then

00:23:56.069 --> 00:23:58.710
also just to get into the discovery and then

00:23:58.710 --> 00:24:01.450
the rest of the investigation because again I

00:24:01.450 --> 00:24:04.789
think there's just a lot of details and you know

00:24:04.789 --> 00:24:08.789
the the devil is in the details and these cold

00:24:08.789 --> 00:24:13.289
cases need details and details are very important

00:24:13.289 --> 00:24:16.420
so I really wanted to just get everything in

00:24:16.420 --> 00:24:20.779
that I could. To move into the discovering of

00:24:20.779 --> 00:24:24.880
the bodies, particularly Danny and Ruth Ellen

00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:28.700
being found shot execution style and face down,

00:24:28.900 --> 00:24:32.500
that to me, only finding those two immediately,

00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:36.420
I think I knew something had gone awry in whatever

00:24:36.420 --> 00:24:38.980
the assailants were trying to accomplish in this

00:24:38.980 --> 00:24:43.000
crime. I wanted to know your take on that. And

00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:47.240
as police, started to release details, it seems

00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:50.279
like that is what happened. But I really just

00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:53.680
wanted to know your opinion as well. Yeah, there's

00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:57.319
a lot of questions at the discovery of the bodies.

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You know, order, I think, is a big question for

00:25:02.420 --> 00:25:05.720
me. You know, in what order they were ultimately

00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:09.400
killed. You know, I think a lot of working theories

00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:13.220
is that Danny and Ruth were shot first and then

00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:17.500
You know, a big theory for a long time was that

00:25:17.500 --> 00:25:21.279
Jayne and Mark maybe took off running after the

00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:23.859
first gunshots happened. But police ultimately

00:25:23.859 --> 00:25:25.940
don't think that they ran. There was no mud on

00:25:25.940 --> 00:25:31.079
their shoes. So I don't know what happened here.

00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:34.779
It's three different methods of murder. The only

00:25:34.779 --> 00:25:36.920
thing I feel like truly certain of is like I

00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:39.539
feel like there were at least two murderers,

00:25:39.539 --> 00:25:44.380
if not three, maybe even four. at least two people

00:25:44.380 --> 00:25:48.059
to do this kind of carnage and to control, you

00:25:48.059 --> 00:25:52.359
know, four teenagers and Jayne, who was in her

00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:56.839
20s. But yeah, so many questions. We have a lot

00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:58.839
of details, but I really have a lot of questions

00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:02.220
about the scene. That was something else that

00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:05.759
I wrote down and echo from you as well, which

00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:08.880
was that it's a lot of people to abduct, to move

00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:13.299
from one environment to another. And a thought

00:26:13.299 --> 00:26:16.960
that I had about only two of them being shot

00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:21.039
in this way and knowing that it was a .38 caliber,

00:26:21.099 --> 00:26:25.000
which is a relatively small handgun, I thought

00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.859
that maybe they didn't even have enough bullets.

00:26:28.940 --> 00:26:32.839
Because it's so, I don't really enjoy thinking

00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:35.779
from this perspective, but to me it seems very

00:26:35.779 --> 00:26:40.720
sloppy and forgetful and maybe just an opportunistic

00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:43.960
crime. Yeah, and police have their theories.

00:26:44.059 --> 00:26:47.059
You know, they think that maybe somebody recognized

00:26:47.059 --> 00:26:49.779
one of the robbers at the restaurant, so that's

00:26:49.779 --> 00:26:52.480
why they had to, you know, leave no witnesses.

00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:55.859
Another theory was that maybe the robbers used

00:26:55.859 --> 00:26:58.900
their real names on accident. Another theory

00:26:58.900 --> 00:27:01.559
that police had was that, you know, Mark was

00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:05.279
found the farthest away from everybody, and he

00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:09.509
was beaten. Ultimately, that led to his death.

00:27:09.630 --> 00:27:12.970
And police wondered if maybe he was led off to

00:27:12.970 --> 00:27:16.309
be beat up and then died. And so then they had

00:27:16.309 --> 00:27:21.509
to kill everybody else. Mark was the only black

00:27:21.509 --> 00:27:23.990
person who was abducted. So, you know, there

00:27:23.990 --> 00:27:28.029
is also that dynamic as well that I wonder if

00:27:28.029 --> 00:27:30.750
police had explored at all. A question I have,

00:27:30.829 --> 00:27:34.740
but I just. I don't understand. And I do hear,

00:27:34.819 --> 00:27:37.720
you know, maybe not having enough bullets. But

00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:40.680
according to reports, they were shot like multiple

00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:44.220
times, you know, in the head and neck areas.

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So, you know, it's like if they were trying to

00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:48.160
save bullets, you think they would have been

00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:52.319
maybe more efficient, for lack of a better word.

00:27:52.380 --> 00:27:55.420
But yeah, it just begs the question, what really

00:27:55.420 --> 00:27:58.519
happened that night? In regards to the suspect

00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:01.759
sketches after that couple was put under hypnosis

00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:05.740
to kind of pulled the details out of what these

00:28:05.740 --> 00:28:08.839
suspects maybe looked like I'm curious to know

00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:12.900
if you know that if hypnosis is still used today

00:28:12.900 --> 00:28:17.880
for crimes like this I really don't know and

00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:20.960
I just thought it was interesting that it was

00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:25.339
both used and heavily reported on yeah I thought

00:28:25.339 --> 00:28:26.839
that was kind of interesting too because you

00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:29.880
really you don't hear about it much anymore um

00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:34.180
I would be very curious, I think, and I could

00:28:34.180 --> 00:28:36.980
totally be talking out of my ass here, but I

00:28:36.980 --> 00:28:40.559
think there has been like maybe some like court

00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:44.019
rulings about like you can't submit evidence

00:28:44.019 --> 00:28:48.200
from people put under hypnosis into court. So

00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.579
I don't think it's done as much as it was back

00:28:51.579 --> 00:28:54.000
in the day because whatever they say can't be

00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:57.299
used. So it's better to get the information.

00:28:57.950 --> 00:29:00.309
by other means, you know, just like normal interrogation

00:29:00.309 --> 00:29:03.490
or questioning. But that's my understanding.

00:29:03.529 --> 00:29:06.809
But full disclosure, I have not researched hypnosis

00:29:06.809 --> 00:29:10.289
in law enforcement recently. Something else I

00:29:10.289 --> 00:29:13.529
wanted to just take note of and maybe gain some

00:29:13.529 --> 00:29:16.589
clarification on. I wanted to make sure I heard

00:29:16.589 --> 00:29:20.130
correctly that both girls' families received

00:29:20.130 --> 00:29:26.089
harassing phone calls and or letters. Is that

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true? So only Ruth's family got it. They were

00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:32.960
the ones getting the phone calls that started

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pretty quickly. They got the anonymous letter,

00:29:35.740 --> 00:29:38.579
and then they also got somebody knocking on their

00:29:38.579 --> 00:29:41.980
door. I know that that could mean nothing, that

00:29:41.980 --> 00:29:45.220
that's someone who's opportunistic and doing

00:29:45.220 --> 00:29:47.480
something vile because people do that sometimes.

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But also, it just kind of stuck out to me because

00:29:51.339 --> 00:29:55.319
the crime was committed at... Burger Chef and

00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:59.039
she did work there and then there was consistent

00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:03.279
multiple moments of taunting after her death.

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It's just something that stuck out to me and

00:30:05.420 --> 00:30:09.099
I wondered if it did to you as well. Completely.

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That's one of my biggest questions is if police

00:30:11.740 --> 00:30:13.819
ever located who was doing this. Because like

00:30:13.819 --> 00:30:17.839
you said, it could just be some awful human taunting

00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:20.559
a family going through one of the worst moments.

00:30:21.659 --> 00:30:24.839
But then if that is the case, I wonder why Ruth's

00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.660
family, why were they just the only ones targeted

00:30:27.660 --> 00:30:29.920
and not the other ones? And so it does seem very

00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:33.460
specific. And so I just, what is the motivation

00:30:33.460 --> 00:30:36.660
there if not involved in the murder? But huge

00:30:36.660 --> 00:30:39.720
question that I have. You know, when I think

00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:42.920
about the future of this case, it's been... A

00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:46.440
long time, over 40 years since these murders

00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:49.599
happened. But there's still four families that

00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:52.779
were impacted and four families that still want

00:30:52.779 --> 00:30:56.200
answers. You know, siblings are still here. Nieces,

00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:58.740
nephews, aunts, uncles, parents, like there are

00:30:58.740 --> 00:31:01.500
still people here that loved everybody at that

00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:06.099
burger chef that night. I really hope that we

00:31:06.099 --> 00:31:09.380
do get somewhere. You know, I wonder what evidence

00:31:09.380 --> 00:31:12.160
is left, if things can be retested with more

00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:15.819
sensitive DNA. I really hope that there's just

00:31:15.819 --> 00:31:20.359
more here or that, you know, somebody does finally

00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:22.920
come forward and gives that piece of information,

00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:25.299
is able to give that name and just break this

00:31:25.299 --> 00:31:29.009
thing wide open. Because this is... A case that

00:31:29.009 --> 00:31:31.470
has haunted like the community, but also just

00:31:31.470 --> 00:31:35.690
like the state of Indiana for years. So this

00:31:35.690 --> 00:31:38.289
is one I know a lot of people would love to see

00:31:38.289 --> 00:31:40.769
solved and would love to get answers and justice

00:31:40.769 --> 00:31:44.930
in. So again, if you know anything about the

00:31:44.930 --> 00:31:48.509
Burger Chef murders in November of 1978, please

00:31:48.509 --> 00:31:51.750
call the Indiana State Police District Investigative

00:31:51.750 --> 00:31:59.970
Commander at 317 -899 - or 1 -800 -582 -8440.

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We are going to have pictures on our Instagram,

00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:06.440
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00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.240
of the knife that was found at the crime scene

00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:12.059
that was used to kill Jayne. So we're going to

00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:14.200
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00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:16.900
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