Cold and Missing: Stella Bolton & JJ Moore

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,780The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts.200:00:13,780 --> 00:00:18,400All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.300:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,160Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages.400:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,560Listener discretion is advised.500:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,280I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski.600:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,680And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski.700:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,400And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases.800:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,400Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing.900:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,560I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski.1000:00:40,560 --> 00:00:46,240And my co-host, my wonderful husband, Eli Sulkowski, is again taking a break from the1100:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,100podcast right now.1200:00:48,100 --> 00:00:54,080My mother-in-law, his mom, passed away recently, so he's just taking some time to grieve and1300:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,520to take care of himself.1400:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,640So thank you so much.1500:00:57,640 --> 00:01:02,460If you have reached out, we've gotten lots of well wishes and condolences.1600:01:02,460 --> 00:01:03,800So thank you so much.1700:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,840It really means the world to us.1800:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,180And it's so kind and so thoughtful.1900:01:09,180 --> 00:01:10,800So thank you.2000:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,760And also thank you to everyone who reached out.2100:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,100I know last week I talked a little bit about my mental health and how it was affecting2200:01:18,100 --> 00:01:21,360me specifically in getting a new episode of the podcast out.2300:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,560And so many people reached out and said, it's totally okay.2400:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,520I understand where you're coming from.2500:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,000I suffer with that as well.2600:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,480I get it.2700:01:30,480 --> 00:01:35,440So just thank you so much for those kind words and your understanding.2800:01:35,440 --> 00:01:36,840It means so much to me.2900:01:36,840 --> 00:01:43,200And it helps me not feel as ashamed of my mental health or not feeling like I'm strong3000:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,720enough or good enough or I just can't muscle through it.3100:01:47,720 --> 00:01:53,440I got to release a lot of that guilt that I was feeling just by your kind words.3200:01:53,440 --> 00:01:58,040So thank you so much if you've reached out or even if you've just thought about us or3300:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,040prayed about us.3400:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,720It's so appreciative and we definitely feel it.3500:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,000I also just want to take a quick second at the top.3600:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,500We got a new review in our Apple podcast.3700:02:07,500 --> 00:02:08,500So thank you so much.3800:02:08,500 --> 00:02:10,000It was so kind.3900:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,520Someone said that they're newer to podcasts and they're really enjoying ours.4000:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,280So thank you for being here.4100:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,760I hope you're still with us and enjoying the podcast.4200:02:18,760 --> 00:02:24,680Actually if you leave us a review on Apple podcasts, I am 100% going to know about it4300:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,440and I'm going to glow about it all week.4400:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,800It just it means so much to me and it helps others find this podcast as well and give4500:02:31,800 --> 00:02:32,800it a listen.4600:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,200So thank you if you've already done that.4700:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,720And maybe if you have some time while you're listening to the new episode right now, you4800:02:39,720 --> 00:02:44,360can just go ahead and leave us a quick review in Apple podcast or whatever platform you're4900:02:44,360 --> 00:02:45,360on.5000:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,360It would be so helpful.5100:02:46,360 --> 00:02:52,520It just helps this podcast get to more people and therefore these stories get to more people.5200:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,040So thank you for doing your part.5300:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,880Means the world to me.5400:02:56,880 --> 00:03:01,240But otherwise, I think we should just go ahead and jump into the case.5500:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,780We are on a cold case this week.5600:03:03,780 --> 00:03:09,560So today we are talking about the cold case of Stella Bolton and James J.J. Moore.5700:03:09,560 --> 00:03:15,480And this takes place in Portsmouth, New Hampshire in February of 1991.5800:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,240But first a little bit about Stella and J.J.5900:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,160Stella is 68 years old in 1991.6000:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,660She was born May 6, 1922.6100:03:24,660 --> 00:03:31,680And James, who goes by J.J., is 73 years old and was born December 1, 1917.6200:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,160The two lived together as roommates.6300:03:34,160 --> 00:03:39,440J.J. had known Stella's husband and when he passed away, Stella and J.J., who was also6400:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,160a widower, took care of each other.6500:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,080Even though they lived together, they slept in separate bedrooms in their small rented6600:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,520bungalow in what was then known as Mariners Village.6700:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,760They were the best of friends.6800:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,640Mariners Village was a working class neighborhood where everyone looked out for each other.6900:03:56,640 --> 00:04:01,200Stella was originally from Trinidad and acted as a grandmother to all of the children in7000:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,280the neighborhood.7100:04:02,280 --> 00:04:07,000She always welcomed neighbors for a meal and would often pass cookies out to the neighborhood7200:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,160children.7300:04:08,160 --> 00:04:13,160Stella helped care for J.J., who had diabetes and gout in his later years.7400:04:13,160 --> 00:04:19,200He was a veteran having served in three wars, World War II, Korea, and Vietnam.7500:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,880J.J. was also known for his love of cars.7600:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,960Just about every year, he would buy a brand new Buick.7700:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,120Their neighbors had nothing but glowing remarks about them.7800:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,880Their neighbor Ray Harris said, quote, They were just people you would love to have for7900:04:32,880 --> 00:04:33,880a neighbor.8000:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,480They had a little front porch 10 feet from the street, so you couldn't go anywhere8100:04:37,480 --> 00:04:38,920without seeing them.8200:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,160You had to know them.8300:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,120They loved company, and if you didn't sit and visit with them, you stood on the sidewalk8400:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,880and talked as you went by.8500:04:45,880 --> 00:04:46,880End quote.8600:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,680Another neighbor, who also happened to be a city counselor, Linda Pannori, says, quote,8700:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,100They were the kind of people everybody loved.8800:04:54,100 --> 00:04:57,840It wasn't unusual to see an ice cream truck pull up and they would whip out some money8900:04:57,840 --> 00:05:00,440and buy all the kids in the neighborhood some ice cream.9000:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,440That's the kind of people they were.9100:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,480Just loving and wonderful people.9200:05:04,480 --> 00:05:05,480End quote.9300:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,040Now a timeline of events.9400:05:08,040 --> 00:05:14,220On Saturday, February 16th, 1991, in the evening hours, Stella went out to play bingo, one9500:05:14,220 --> 00:05:18,440of her favorite things to do, while JJ stayed at their shared home.9600:05:18,440 --> 00:05:23,960It was rumored that Stella had been on a big winning streak at her bingo games recently.9700:05:23,960 --> 00:05:28,280We know that Stella did eventually return home to the house she shared with JJ.9800:05:28,280 --> 00:05:35,400In the early morning hours of Sunday, February 17th, 1991, at around 1 30 a.m., a fire is9900:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,440reported at 74 Rockhill Avenue in the Mariners Village complex.10000:05:40,440 --> 00:05:45,040This ends up being a two alarm fire, which means that the responding fire department10100:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,860had to call in additional assistance from other fire departments.10200:05:48,860 --> 00:05:51,520The fire even spread to the house next door.10300:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,840While fighting the fire, firefighters discovered the remains of two bodies.10400:05:55,840 --> 00:05:59,680Officers on the scene assume that the two perished in the house fire.10500:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,560Police don't have a confirmed ID on the bodies, but the whole neighborhood knew.10600:06:04,560 --> 00:06:09,200Neighbor Linda Pinores says, quote, There was such shock because it was so insane.10700:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,160And they had lived in the same place such a long time you couldn't even say maybe somebody10800:06:13,160 --> 00:06:14,840got the wrong house.10900:06:14,840 --> 00:06:15,840End quote.11000:06:15,840 --> 00:06:18,220Fire investigators ruled the fire as arson.11100:06:18,220 --> 00:06:22,480The fire was started intentionally in the back left bedroom and spread throughout the11200:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,860home and to the home next door.11300:06:24,860 --> 00:06:26,860On Monday, February 18th.11400:06:26,860 --> 00:06:29,800So this is the next day after the fire.11500:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,940Medical examiners begin an autopsy to confirm the IDs of the two bodies found in the home.11600:06:34,940 --> 00:06:39,160It is confirmed that the bodies that were found were Stella and JJ.11700:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,480However, the medical examiner also discovers that each of them had been stabbed multiple11800:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,160times and were murdered before the fire was set.11900:06:48,160 --> 00:06:53,200In the following days after the fire, rumors began to spread around the neighborhood about12000:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,440who would hurt these two beloved figures.12100:06:56,440 --> 00:07:01,680Neighbor Ray Harris says, quote, Teenagers looking for money, a robbery gone bad.12200:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,120There were personal theories and police theories and criminology theories.12300:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,360She was playing bingo that night and he was home alone.12400:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,400And there's a theory that she came home and surprised a robber and he set the fire to12500:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,000cover up the evidence.12600:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,280End quote.12700:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,960Police begin to comb through the neighborhood going door to door asking questions.12800:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,760Police begin to wonder if Stella and JJ's open and welcoming nature was used against12900:07:25,760 --> 00:07:26,960them.13000:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,480As police are going through the burned out home, a young boy approaches police and tells13100:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,200them that he found a knife.13200:07:33,200 --> 00:07:38,680The knife is about eight inches and police do believe that this is the murder weapon.13300:07:38,680 --> 00:07:45,280On Thursday, February 21st, 1991, just four days after their murder, Stella and James13400:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,320are laid to rest.13500:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,360Hundreds of people attend the funeral.13600:07:49,360 --> 00:07:54,240Folks come from all over to pay respects to Stella and JJ, including Pennsylvania, New13700:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,520York and Trinidad.13800:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,100Stella and JJ are ultimately laid to rest together.13900:08:00,100 --> 00:08:04,200Police are chasing leads, but they're not public about what they're looking for or14000:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,160who they're looking at.14100:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,240Police do tell the public that the rumor that Stella had won thousands playing bingo the14200:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,800night before she died was false.14300:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,300But people in the neighborhood, along with police, will continue to talk about her bingo14400:08:17,300 --> 00:08:21,320winnings as a potential motive over the years.14500:08:21,320 --> 00:08:28,240In June of 1994, so this is three years since the murder of Stella and JJ, there is a grand14600:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,760jury held in regards to this case.14700:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,360Now police seem to have been working on this case in the background because I couldn't14800:08:34,360 --> 00:08:40,040really find any media coverage outside of the initial shock of the crime.14900:08:40,040 --> 00:08:45,720But come June of 1994, they do hold a grand jury against a person of interest.15000:08:45,720 --> 00:08:50,160However, police don't get an indictment against this person.15100:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,160Because grand juries are held in secrecy, we do not know who the person of interest15200:08:54,160 --> 00:08:59,480in this case is or was, if they're still considered a person of interest at all.15300:08:59,480 --> 00:09:04,600However, from these proceedings, police will go on to arrest William Schroeder, who is15400:09:04,600 --> 00:09:10,44030 years old, for tampering with a witness and hindering a police investigation.15500:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,840Police believe that William has withheld information about the murder investigation to them the15600:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,840police and also when he was a witness for the grand jury.15700:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,780He also told another person to lie to the grand jury.15800:09:22,780 --> 00:09:26,400This other person happened to be a police detective.15900:09:26,400 --> 00:09:31,000Police hope that his arrest will generate more leads and tips in the case of Stella16000:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,000and JJ.16100:09:32,000 --> 00:09:37,600The chief of the Criminal Justice Bureau at the Attorney General's Office, Mike Ramsdale,16200:09:37,600 --> 00:09:42,440says, quote, We certainly believe that he had knowledge about what went on on the night16300:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,720of the murder, and when he wasn't forthcoming, the charges were brought.16400:09:46,720 --> 00:09:47,800End quote.16500:09:47,800 --> 00:09:52,280Police don't say that they think William was involved in the murder, but they for sure16600:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,480believe that he has information about the murder.16700:09:55,480 --> 00:10:00,200No murder charges are ever brought against him, and ultimately, William will plead guilty16800:10:00,200 --> 00:10:05,880to witness tampering in January of 1995, and he's sentenced to three and a half to seven16900:10:05,880 --> 00:10:06,880years.17000:10:06,880 --> 00:10:12,280And it doesn't seem like William ever provides any more information about what he may or17100:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,080may not know to police.17200:10:15,080 --> 00:10:20,960In May of 1996, so it has been five years since Stella and JJ were murdered, police17300:10:20,960 --> 00:10:25,160connect with Dr. Henry Lee, hoping that he will take a look at the evidence to see if17400:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,680he could help find some suspects.17500:10:27,680 --> 00:10:33,160Dr. Henry Lee, as some of our listeners may recognize, is a forensic scientist who has17600:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,040worked on some of the most famous cases.17700:10:36,040 --> 00:10:42,480He's worked on the Jean-Béné Ramsey case, O.J. Simpson, Kathleen Peterson, and Kaylee17800:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,120Anthony.17900:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,960Several items are sent to Dr. Lee, but the only DNA that he is able to develop matches18000:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,400the victim's, so there's no suspect DNA developed.18100:10:53,400 --> 00:10:59,160The next year, in October of 1997, so now it's been six years since the murder, police18200:10:59,160 --> 00:11:04,880offer a $10,000 reward for any information in this cold case.18300:11:04,880 --> 00:11:11,920In the year 2000, they double it to $20,000, and this reward is still in place as of 202318400:11:11,920 --> 00:11:16,960for information leading to an arrest in the murders of Stella and JJ.18500:11:16,960 --> 00:11:23,660In 2001, so it's been 10 years since Stella and JJ's murder, there's another double18600:11:23,660 --> 00:11:29,840murder in New Hampshire, a husband and wife who were both professors at Dartmouth College,18700:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,480half and Suzanne Zantop.18800:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,880They were both stabbed to death like Stella and JJ.18900:11:35,880 --> 00:11:41,120The major difference is that the case received a lot of media attention and resources from19000:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,800the state to get the case solved.19100:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,320This didn't sit well with the folks that knew Stella and JJ.19200:11:47,320 --> 00:11:52,320They believed that Stella and JJ deserved just as much media attention and resources19300:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,440from the police to get the case solved.19400:11:55,440 --> 00:12:00,240Executive counselor Ruth Griffin, who was from Portsmouth, says, quote, they were black19500:12:00,240 --> 00:12:01,240and poor.19600:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,120They lived in subsidized housing.19700:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,480It has bothered me.19800:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,120Isn't it the attorney generals who direct how the state prosecutes?19900:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,340End quote.20000:12:10,340 --> 00:12:14,280Police counter that they continue to work this case and they have never forgotten about20100:12:14,280 --> 00:12:15,920Stella and JJ.20200:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,720Sergeant Michael Ranci says, quote, it is still an active investigation.20300:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,400We're still going through certain items of evidence collected from the scene, and these20400:12:24,400 --> 00:12:29,120items are being retested due to progress made in forensic sciences.20500:12:29,120 --> 00:12:30,940End quote.20600:12:30,940 --> 00:12:33,800Police do continue to work behind the scenes on the case.20700:12:33,800 --> 00:12:40,440However, it's another 10 years before Stella and JJ are back in the media in 2011, 20 years20800:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,320since their murder.20900:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,720And they're back in the media because police firmly believe that other people know about21000:12:46,720 --> 00:12:52,560what happened the night that they were murdered and have never come forward with this information.21100:12:52,560 --> 00:12:57,440Detective Aaron Goodwin says, quote, we're not looking to charge anyone who just has21200:12:57,440 --> 00:12:58,700information.21300:12:58,700 --> 00:13:04,080If you were living in the community and you heard something, anything, come forward, let21400:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,480us know what it is.21500:13:05,480 --> 00:13:06,480End quote.21600:13:06,480 --> 00:13:12,720In 2011, police are confident that they are close to an arrest in this case.21700:13:12,720 --> 00:13:19,120As of 2023, so this is 33 years since Stella and JJ were murdered.21800:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,440The case is now with Detective Rachelle Jones.21900:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,640Detective Jones used to live near Stella and JJ as a child.22000:13:26,640 --> 00:13:32,800And she says, quote, for me, just with JJ and Stella, I look at them and I have a personal22100:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,040knowledge of how great they were as people.22200:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,120And it makes me very angry.22300:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,840End quote.22400:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,400Detective Jones took over the case in 2021.22500:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,320And since then, she has developed multiple persons of interest.22600:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,240She doesn't get specific, but she says that the person of interest used to live in the22700:13:49,240 --> 00:13:54,800neighborhood and they were younger than Stella and JJ, who were in their 60s and 70s.22800:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,760So it's still very wide range for younger.22900:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,840Detective Jones has interviewed around 50 people, including the persons of interest.23000:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,440Police do believe that the motive for the murder was money.23100:14:08,440 --> 00:14:13,080Detective Jones says, quote, we really need the people that are probably still afraid23200:14:13,080 --> 00:14:18,360and have that direct knowledge, just one little clue that could help us go forward.23300:14:18,360 --> 00:14:19,360End quote.23400:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,520But that is really the last update we have on this case.23500:14:23,520 --> 00:14:28,440Police have felt confident in the past 20 years that this case was going to be solved23600:14:28,440 --> 00:14:29,440soon.23700:14:29,440 --> 00:14:35,640But to date, there has never been anybody charged with the murder of Stella and JJ.23800:14:35,640 --> 00:14:43,080If you know anything about the murder of Stella Bolton and James JJ Moore in February of 1991,23900:14:43,080 --> 00:14:51,560please contact Detective Rachelle Jones directly at 603-610-7503.24000:14:51,560 --> 00:14:56,880And the sources for the timeline to date come from Journal Tribune, Sun Journal, Concord24100:14:56,880 --> 00:15:04,280Monitor, Valley News, Morning Centennial, The Boston Globe, Seacoast Online, and WMUR.24200:15:04,280 --> 00:15:09,760So that is the cold case of Stella and JJ.24300:15:09,760 --> 00:15:16,680My first reaction when I found this case and started researching it was just how sweet24400:15:16,680 --> 00:15:24,520Stella and JJ are as people and as friends who were in their later years in life and24500:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,000were supporting each other and taking care of each other.24600:15:27,000 --> 00:15:34,200But there wasn't that romantic aspect involved, which I think is so easy to just place on24700:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,520a man and a woman's friendship.24800:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,600But for them, they were best of friends and they took care of each other through their24900:15:40,600 --> 00:15:41,600golden years.25000:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,560And I just thought it was such a beautiful story and just a beautiful way to live your25100:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,040life.25200:15:49,040 --> 00:15:54,920For that to be cut short when you're already at the end of your life, it just feels like25300:15:54,920 --> 00:16:00,140so tragic that you've lived your whole life, you've done everything, and then at the end25400:16:00,140 --> 00:16:02,120of it, somebody murders you.25500:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,960You don't even get to live out your final years the way that your maker intends.25600:16:06,960 --> 00:16:12,800It just, obviously, at any time, I think a murder is bad.25700:16:12,800 --> 00:16:18,520But there's something about murder of the elderly that just seems so unfair in the same25800:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,440way that it feels so unfair for children to be murdered.25900:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,700I do have questions around this case, and I'm sure a big one that came up for a lot26000:16:26,700 --> 00:16:30,200of you as well is, who is this person of interest?26100:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,540Who did they bring against the grand jury?26200:16:33,540 --> 00:16:38,880If I got to sit down with Detective Jones, who is covering the case today, and just ask26300:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,880and get all the answers I wanted, I would want to know, who is this person of interest26400:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,480that they took to a grand jury?26500:16:44,480 --> 00:16:49,000They didn't get the indictment, so the grand jury didn't feel like there was enough evidence26600:16:49,000 --> 00:16:54,640to support that murder charge, or I guess in this case, a double murder charge.26700:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,040But still, I have to just wonder who this person is.26800:16:58,040 --> 00:17:03,500And I know I've mentioned this before, but just being somebody who loves true crime and26900:17:03,500 --> 00:17:08,640takes in a lot, I always have to wonder, is this person who they couldn't get the indictment27000:17:08,640 --> 00:17:15,160on, are they really a good suspect, or is it somebody that the police just kind of tunnel27100:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,680visioned in on?27200:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,800That's something that I would like to know as well, but without really knowing who the27300:17:20,800 --> 00:17:26,680person is and the evidence they have against him or her, I guess we really don't even know.27400:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,640But without those details, all you can do is like wildly speculate, which is what I'm27500:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,680doing right now, so I'll stop.27600:17:33,680 --> 00:17:39,680I also am curious, and I couldn't find any additional details on it, but the murder weapon27700:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,480was found by a young boy in the neighborhood.27800:17:42,480 --> 00:17:47,620And from all reports, it seems like it was a child that found the knife.27900:17:47,620 --> 00:17:52,240But I couldn't find an exact detail of where the knife was found.28000:17:52,240 --> 00:17:57,040By all accounts, it just seems like it was found as somebody was fleeing the crime scene.28100:17:57,040 --> 00:17:58,640That was kind of how it was described.28200:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,520It was dropped or thrown while fleeing the crime scene.28300:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,760So I assume it was a little bit away from the home.28400:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,960But again, I don't know.28500:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,160So that would just be something that I would be curious about today.28600:18:11,160 --> 00:18:16,280Where was that found in regards to where the home was, where Stella and JJ's home was?28700:18:16,280 --> 00:18:22,520I also wonder who lived in that back left bedroom.28800:18:22,520 --> 00:18:27,960From all reports, it does seem like the arson was started in the back left bedroom.28900:18:27,960 --> 00:18:34,000So I wonder, was that the target of this attack?29000:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,840Like whoever's bedroom that was, were they kind of the initial target?29100:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,720And then the other person was just the collateral damage of everything.29200:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,920Again, this is all very much speculation.29300:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,040But I just wonder.29400:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,960Or maybe that's just where they started, back left, and they just zipped around with some29500:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,440kind of accelerant and then started the fire.29600:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,080Maybe it means something, maybe it means nothing.29700:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,600But I couldn't find out whose room that was exactly.29800:19:04,600 --> 00:19:11,920And then police, during the initial investigation, they tell media that the rumors that Stella29900:19:11,920 --> 00:19:17,720had won thousands at bingo the night before she died was untrue.30000:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,080But I wonder, did she win at all?30100:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,300Did it just get inflated to where she had won thousands of dollars when maybe in reality30200:19:24,300 --> 00:19:29,400she had won a couple hundred bucks, you know, or maybe she had been winning throughout the30300:19:29,400 --> 00:19:30,480week?30400:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,360It does seem like bingo is one of her favorite things to go and do.30500:19:34,360 --> 00:19:37,580So had she had a winning streak recently?30600:19:37,580 --> 00:19:39,400Had she been talking about it?30700:19:39,400 --> 00:19:44,600Did people just assume that maybe she had more money than she did?30800:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,440There's stories of her and JJ buying ice cream for everyone in the neighborhood or always30900:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,480giving food or cookies out to neighbors who needed it.31000:19:52,480 --> 00:19:59,800So I wonder if someone mistook their kindness for a ton of wealth.31100:19:59,800 --> 00:20:05,000From everything that the police report from the beginning until 2023, it does seem like31200:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,880money is a major motivator in this murder, which is so sad.31300:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,560Like money is the root of all evil.31400:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,300Truly fully unstopped.31500:20:17,300 --> 00:20:21,280I wish we could go back in time and just get rid of the need for money at all.31600:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,280Like it brings so much negative into this world.31700:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,160And it's the reason that Stella and JJ lost their lives.31800:20:28,160 --> 00:20:33,860I mean, JJ was a 30 year vet who served in three wars.31900:20:33,860 --> 00:20:36,760Like he's a national hero in my eyes.32000:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,840You serve in three wars?32100:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,520You're a hero.32200:20:40,520 --> 00:20:46,840He deserved to live out his days exactly how he wanted to and not have them end abruptly.32300:20:46,840 --> 00:20:52,660And the same for Stella, who was a beautiful person from all accounts, she acted as a mother32400:20:52,660 --> 00:20:55,160or grandmother to everyone in the neighborhood.32500:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,920If you needed anything, Stella would have given it to you.32600:20:58,920 --> 00:21:04,320They were always chatting with neighbors and just a part of that community.32700:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,280I just really hope that Stella and JJ get justice.32800:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,800And police do seem to be close.32900:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,620You know, they keep begging for just that one piece of information, a little clue.33000:21:13,620 --> 00:21:19,520It seems like they just need a little bit more to like get everything to fall in place.33100:21:19,520 --> 00:21:25,720And they really do seem convinced that people out there know people in this area, in this33200:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,780community know what happened to Stella and JJ.33300:21:29,780 --> 00:21:35,300So if you know anything about the death of Stella and JJ in 1991, or if you're from that33400:21:35,300 --> 00:21:40,480area and have heard rumors, please call those into police and police will do the work of33500:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,880sorting out who's right, who's wrong, what's true, what's not like that's their job.33600:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,160But if you've ever heard anything, you never know what wild rumor might actually have like33700:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,700a little kernel of truth in it.33800:21:52,700 --> 00:22:03,120So if you know anything at all, please call Detective Rochelle Jones directly at 603-610-7503.33900:22:03,120 --> 00:22:08,440And again, I mentioned it at the top of our podcast, but if you could just give us a little34000:22:08,440 --> 00:22:14,480review, it helps others find this podcast and it'll help others know Stella and JJ story.34100:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,680There's very little media coverage, very little podcasts on them.34200:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,880So they deserve to have their case covered and heard.34300:22:21,880 --> 00:22:28,460And just by sharing it, promoting it, rating it, you help their names get out to others34400:22:28,460 --> 00:22:33,680out there and their stories get known and ultimately, hopefully close, we get their34500:22:33,680 --> 00:22:34,980stories closed.34600:22:34,980 --> 00:22:40,320So if you have a minute, please review us if you can, or maybe just share with somebody34700:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,160in your life that also enjoys true crime.34800:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,480That's also a win and gets more people knowing about these cases.34900:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,760We'll be posting pictures of Stella and JJ on our Instagram.35000:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,040So if you're not following us, you can go ahead and follow us there at Cold and Missing.35100:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,040We're also on YouTube.35200:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,280We put all of the episodes up on YouTube and there's some lovely conversations happening35300:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,320in the comment sections, just about the cases in general.35400:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,160Maybe if you like to listen on YouTube, you can find us there too and subscribe.35500:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,720It's a great time.35600:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,160We also have our website, ColdandMissing.com.35700:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,880So all of our episodes are on there.35800:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,780The YouTube videos are on there.35900:23:16,780 --> 00:23:18,160And we also have transcripts.36000:23:18,160 --> 00:23:23,100So if you or someone that you love is hard of hearing or deaf, you can also follow along36100:23:23,100 --> 00:23:27,380with the podcast or read it at our website, ColdandMissing.com.36200:23:27,380 --> 00:23:29,720But that's all I have for this week.36300:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,160Thank you so much for listening.36400:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,300I'm Allie McLaughlin-Sulkowski.36500:23:33,300 --> 00:23:35,000This is Cold and Missing.36600:23:35,000 --> 00:24:02,040Have a great week and stay safe, y'all.