Cold and Missing: Shirley McAvoy

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Welcome back everyone.

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Welcome back.

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I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski.

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And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski .

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And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases.

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And missing person cases.

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So just at the top here, I wanted to give a little thank you to one of our listeners,

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And I think with that, we should just get right into it, huh?

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Yeah.

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We are on a cold case this week.

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Cold case, yeah.

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All righty.

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Let's get started.

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So today, I have for you a cold case.

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And just as a content warning at the top, this case does involve some animals, but there's

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no harm that comes to the animals.

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I won't be talking about anything like that.

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So I just want to give our listeners a warning at the top.

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Today we are going to be covering the cold case of Shirley McAvoy.

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And this takes place in August of 1990 in Pittsfield, Maine.

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But first, a little bit about Shirley.

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Shirley was 32 years old in 1990.

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She was born January 4th, 1958.

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And she would be 65 years old today.

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She was recently separated from her husband, Brian McAvoy, and the two were going through

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an official divorce hearing.

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Those close to her say Shirley was going through a season of depression, not only from her

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upcoming divorce, but her soon to be ex-husband had also maintained custody of their two daughters.

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Her neighbor, Dennis York, says, quote, her children were all she would talk about.

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That was her whole life, end quote.

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Family and friends say that Shirley was outgoing and friendly.

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She volunteered at one of her daughter's schools, and on hot summer days, she would

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take neighborhood kids to a swimming pool.

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Dennis York says, quote, she was very good to all of the children on the street, end

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Shirley had recently begun dating a new guy in August of 1990.

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And now a timeline of events.

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So on Thursday, August 9th, 1990, Shirley was last seen alive at her mobile home located

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on Berry Road in Pittsfield, Maine.

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Her friend invites Shirley to a wedding later that month before leaving.

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The next day, Friday, August 10th, Shirley is supposed to appear in court as part of

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the custody hearing in her and her husband's upcoming divorce, but she fails to show up.

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Later that day, she was expected at her daughter's birthday party, but she also doesn't show

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up, which everyone notes as very odd and out of character for her.

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That same day, Shirley's vehicle is involved in a car accident on the Southeast Expressway

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in Boston, Massachusetts.

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The driver of the vehicle is not Shirley, but a tall, slender, white guy with light-colored

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hair.

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He's the only person inside the car.

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He gets out and hands the other driver an insurance card with Brian McAvoy's name on

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it.

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The driver of Shirley's vehicle says, quote, I'm never going to drive in Boston again,

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end quote.

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The two agreed to pull off of the road up ahead to get out of the flow of traffic, but

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the man driving Shirley's red two-door 1990 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme keeps driving.

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Brian is ultimately notified of the accident, and he's unable to get in contact with Shirley.

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On August 28th, 1990, so this has been a few weeks since Shirley was last seen, Brian McAvoy

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reports Shirley missing.

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Her friends thought she had just taken space to work through her recent separation.

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Throughout the month of September, police issue a statewide missing person bulletin

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for Shirley and reach out to family and friends to see if she's been in contact with anybody,

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but nobody has heard from her since August 9th.

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Police also are able to access Shirley's home as Brian gave them a key.

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Police do a quick glance around the home, but don't notice anything.

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On October 1st of 1990, this is almost two months now that Shirley has been missing,

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Brian McAvoy wanted to winterize her mobile home and clean out the fridge in case that

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she came back so that way her home was ready for her.

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Police Chief Spencer Harvey lets Brian, Brian's girlfriend, and Shirley's friend into the

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home and leaves.

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Shirley's friend, who asked to remain anonymous throughout this, noticed that a sofa was out

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of place and thought that there were bird marks under the sofa on the carpet.

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Once the sofa was moved, she knew that it was blood.

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She says, quote, I felt completely sick.

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I said, I know what that is.

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I know it's blood.

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End quote.

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They call police chief Harvey back, who sees the three foot by two foot blood stain and

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he calls the state police to help search the rest of the home.

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Police will spend three days searching the home and they'll also find that none of

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Shirley's clothing was missing.

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Curtains from the back of her home were moved to the front living room and a new bedspread

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that Shirley had bought to match her curtains was missing.

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Also missing were her two dogs, Nikki and Max.

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Police did find evidence of a dog being locked in a room at the home, which friends say Shirley

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never did.

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Her friend says, quote, she worried about her dogs as much as her kids.

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Her dogs are just like her kids to her.

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They were her babies.

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End quote.

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On October 4th, 1990, police announced that Shirley's car is missing.

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They also say Brian McEvoy is cooperating with police and police are focused on creating

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a composite sketch of a man that had recently moved in with Shirley five days before she

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disappeared.

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Shirley had told a friend that he was a relative, but police are able to determine he was not

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a relative of Shirley's.

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On October 5th, 1990, police formally interview Brian McEvoy and police learn of the car accident

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in Boston.

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Police also confirm that the blood found in Shirley's home is human blood and it will

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take months, but it is ultimately determined that it is Shirley's blood.

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On Tuesday, October 9th, police go to Boston to investigate the car accident.

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Police make a sketch of the man that was driving the car based off of the other driver's description

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and his passenger's description.

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Police say the sketch of the driver and the sketch of the man living with Shirley are

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similar.

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On November 9th, 1990, so this is just over three months that Shirley has been missing,

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police release a sketch of the suspect, the man living with Shirley and they believe he

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was also driving her car in Boston.

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Maine State Police spokesperson Stephen McCausland says, quote, His name may be Jerry.

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He may have worked construction in the Millinocket area.

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He may have a 12 year old daughter.

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He may have divorced a Massachusetts woman who was having twins, end quote.

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Police believe in 1990, this suspect who will call Jerry because that's what police believe

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his name might have been.

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Police believe Jerry was between 33 and 37 years old, had dirty blonde hair, blue eyes,

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was around 5'10 and 180 pounds.

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He had crooked front teeth and also had pock marks on his cheeks.

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And he spoke with a southern accent.

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Police also say that at this time they do not consider Brian McAvoy a suspect.

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Spokesperson Stephen McCauland says, quote, The bottom line is our leads that detectives

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have been pursuing very, very vigorously for the last month are down to a precious few.

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And now we need the public's help in putting a name to this face and this man who we think

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may be the clue for finding where Shirley McAvoy is, end quote.

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On Tuesday, November 20th, 1990, a deer hunter in Spotslavaenia, Virginia was standing on

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his truck bed not too far behind Todd's Tavern Market when he spotted what he thought

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was a white ball.

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After walking closer, he realized it was a human skull and called police.

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Police find the skeletal remains of Shirley McAvoy wrapped in a bedspread.

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Her feet had been bound with the cord and she was not buried.

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Police are able to quickly ID her from a denture with her last name on it.

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And she was also wearing her class ring.

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But her official ID does come through dental records.

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The next day on November 21st, police combed the area where Shirley's body was found,

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looking for additional clues and the remains of her two dogs.

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But nothing is found.

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Dr. Masello Fiera conducts Shirley's autopsy.

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He says she was bound with a Venetian blind type cord and Maine police confirmed that

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the windows in her home were disturbed.

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Dr. Fiera also says that the bedspread she was wrapped in was covered in bodily fluid,

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but he wouldn't confirm if it was blood.

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Dr. Fiera isn't able to determine a cause of death, but does consult with an anthropologist.

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Later reports will say that Shirley was stabbed.

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Police believe that she was killed in her home in Maine and put in the trunk of her

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car and brought south to Virginia.

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They believe her body had been there since August.

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The next day, November 22nd, police received a report that Shirley's vehicle was pulled

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over in northern Florida on August 14th.

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So this would have been five days after Shirley was last seen alive.

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But police in Florida didn't write down any details about what was otherwise a routine

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traffic stop and months later they couldn't remember any details about the driver.

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On Saturday, January 26th, 1991, Shirley's funeral is held and she is laid to rest at

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St. Joseph Cemetery.

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Her sister, Cecily Delcourt says, quote, we're relieved we can put her to rest, but I'm angry

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that most likely he still has her car and is out joyriding, end quote.

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In March of 1991, so this is seven months since Shirley disappeared, police in Georgia

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arrest a man driving Shirley's car.

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The car had been repainted from red to gray and the VIN and license plate number were

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changed.

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Police don't believe the driver is a suspect, but hope he'll lead police back to Jerry.

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This ultimately is a bust though.

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The car had been stolen from a Holiday Inn in St. Augustine Beach and then repainted

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and it was recovered ultimately in Darien, Georgia.

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Police began processing the car and find blood in her vehicle.

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On August 26th, 1991, so it's been over a year since Shirley was murdered and almost

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a year since her body was found, but police have no new leads in her case.

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Even state police spokesperson Stephen McCausland says, quote, we've scoured her car, we've

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scoured her mobile home and there was a great deal of evidence from the scene, but we still

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haven't been able to identify him, end quote.

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And the him he's referring to is the Jerry suspect.

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So in November of 1995, this is over five years since Shirley's murder.

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Shirley's story appears on the Fox network show, Real Stories of Highway Patrol.

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During the episode, it's revealed that as well as the blood stain on the carpet that

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was found in her home, police used the luminol in her home and they found blood everywhere

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on the walls, ceilings, and they even found it in the shower and sink drains.

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After the show airs, police receive around 40 tips, but there's no major break in the

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case.

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And then in August of 2004, this is 14 years.

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Shirley's family offer a $10,000 reward for information leading to the killer.

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Shirley's daughter, Christina Lancaster, who's married and has her own kids at this time,

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says, quote, we just want this guy behind bars and we want to know why he did it, end

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quote.

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And that is really the last update that I could find on Shirley McAvoy's case.

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If you know anything about what happened to Shirley McAvoy in August of 1990, who possibly

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the suspect Jerry is who was driving her car or the whereabouts of her dogs, what happened

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to them, please call the Maine State Police Major Crime Unit at 207-624-7143.

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And the sources for the timeline come from the Banger Daily News.

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The Morning Centennial, Kennebec Journal, the Journal Tribune, the Richmond Times Dispatch

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and the Boston Globe.

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So that is the case of Shirley McAvoy.

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Man, I feel bad using this word, but the first thing I thought was like just gruesome.

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You know, like the word that or not the word, but people usually describe like, you know,

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vicious attacks like this is like, like an animal had done it.

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But I think that an animal would be ashamed of something like that because like, no, animals

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don't kill like that.

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Right.

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Not even like sharks, you know, like, yeah, it's vicious, but there's still a goal, which

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is food.

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You know, anyway, there's not overkill.

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Yeah, like you had a very, you had an intention to what you were doing there, you know.

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And I just, you know, I opened up the picture when I was listening to you and she looked

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like someone like personal to me anyway.

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And I just like, yeah, like she just looks like a sweet lady, you know, like how could

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you do that to someone?

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You know?

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Yeah.

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And honestly, one of the more, I know you didn't do it, you know, like intentionally.

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It's just like one of the more gruesome ones that we've covered, unfortunately.

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So I think that's why it's, I'm focusing on it is you had to tell us.

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It's part of the story.

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It's fact, it's like part of the facts.

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Yeah.

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Just so our listeners know, I don't want to tell gruesome facts or anything like that

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just for shock value, but I genuinely want to give them and present them just as facts

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because you never know what thing might have slipped up, what somebody might have said,

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what that clue is that they said on a drunken night in a bar or that they cried out in their

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sleep.

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Like you just don't know what is going to be the thing that jogs a memory in someone's

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mind and says, Oh yes, I know something about this case.

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Unfortunately, in engaging with true crime in this way, the facts that are hard to listen

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to, hard to read, hard to take in, if they serve what the main goal is, which is finding

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the person, if like, you know, exploring those details, unfortunately, if they serve finding

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this person, then they need to be spoken about.

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But you know, here at cold and missing, what we do is talk about those things with respect

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and dignity and boundaries.

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Like there's not, it's not necessary to go into detail, but there is, there's an importance

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in mentioning it, especially with this case.

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So just to echo that and for our listeners and continued listening, we, we do our best

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to focus on what's most important.

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Yeah.

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And you know, this case, there's a couple of questions that come to my mind.

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The one weird guy.

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Well, yeah, Jerry, Jerry.

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Yeah.

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Possibly named Jerry.

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Yeah.

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I instantly, you couldn't hear me out there, but I go off Jerry.

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I was like, I don't know why I like latched onto it.

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Pretty instantly I was like, it's this guy.

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Yeah.

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Interactions odd.

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Maybe it's because, you know, again, if you're looking for it, it's there, but I don't, I

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don't understand what's going on with that relationship.

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And that was a new relationship by all accounts.

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He had moved in five days a week before she disappeared and ultimately was murdered.

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And neighbor said, he just showed up.

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He didn't have a car.

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He just showed up one day at her house and was there.

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And you know, other friends saw him in her house.

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So yeah, I'm like, was he someone that was like watching her for a period of time before

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he just quote showed up, you know, and had a plan or it was being whatever.

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There's a couple of different stories about where they possibly could have met.

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But it seems like the main one was kind of this like recreation.

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I think it was called like fun center or fun town or something like that.

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Was that they like met at this place.

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What was your imagination station in celebration?

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Celebration station.

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Yeah.

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Superior, superior tall.

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To Chuck, to Chuck E. Cheese.

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To Charles E. Cheese.

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Charles E. Cheese.

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Anyway, but yeah, they're so there's a couple of different mentions, but it seems likely

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that that was where they met.

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Possibly in July, about a month before she went missing.

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But again, it seems like he told different people different things in her life about

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where he was from, where his family was from.

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Yeah, like a lot of lies that even if they said like, well, he told me this, he told

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me this, there's no real origin anyway.

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Right.

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And really they just bought him time.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Whatever he was doing.

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And people said he didn't offer anything.

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It's like they really had he wasn't friendly.

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You know, he was in talkative to people.

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They really kind of had to pry.

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It's like, what's what's it called?

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Like when someone just like blows into town?

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I can't think of it.

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I guess it doesn't matter.

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A pass or a passerby or a lone like someone who isn't from the town and it's just like

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blown blown through.

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You know, there's a specific word.

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Someone who's listening is like, it's this word.

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Oh, I know.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, just like someone randomly like who is this guy?

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Where did he come from?

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Like, right.

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He spoke with a southern accent.

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Yeah, was in Maine.

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So yeah, lots of questions around Jerry.

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And ultimately, he's never been identified.

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I also have questions just in the beginning, because it seems like police went into her

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home before she was officially reported missing or shortly thereafter.

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The timing seemed to kind of off in the newspaper reports I was reading.

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I couldn't really pin that down.

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But police do enter it before October 1st when the blood stain is found.

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So I'm just wondering, did police just look really quickly, not see anything because the

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sofa had been moved over the blood stain?

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Did they just not notice it?

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They didn't know that they wouldn't know her furniture layout.

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So they wouldn't know the sofa had been moved.

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Was it just something quick like that?

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And that's why it was missed.

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But there was a lot of things going on in her home.

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You know, there was the police say the windows were disturbed and kind of broken.

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The cords were missing.

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It appears from her windows because her feet were bound with a window cord.

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Her bedspread was missing.

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None of her clothes were missing.

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And the curtains had been moved.

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But again, maybe police wouldn't have known that because they didn't know how her home

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was before she had disappeared.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I just have questions in there about how the investigation started.

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And Brian, you know, her soon to be ex-husband cooperates with police and is ultimately ruled

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out as a suspect, according to them.

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But there does seem to be like a hitch in getting this figured out because, you know,

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why weren't the police alerted quicker that the car had been in an accident?

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Because Brian had known that like, it just seems like there was hiccups in getting this

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case going.

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Yeah, and there had to have been evidence like everywhere initially.

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Unless it was cleaned up and the only thing that remained was the-

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Yeah, and we know the luminol testing.

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But, yeah, in hearing the details, what it indicates to me is that it was frenzied.

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Like it wasn't, I don't think it was planned.

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And even if it was, it didn't go according to plan.

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It was messy.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, like with down to like what they use to, you know, tie her feet together.

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Like it's not like it was rope that was brought in.

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Right.

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Like that was ripped from the wall or whatever, you know.

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It was all stuff there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But whoever did it obviously had time to clean because police had entered and if there had

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been blood everywhere-

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And knew the space.

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Knew to like turn, grab that, pull it, you know.

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Yeah.

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But, you know, if police initially had walked in and seen blood everywhere, like from jump,

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it would have been a homicide.

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But that person, whoever did it, had time to clean because when police initially entered,

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just on a cursory glance, there was nothing found, you know, out of the ordinary.

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They're, you know, they didn't even see the blood stain on the carpet.

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It seems like that was the only evidence left to the eye that you could see.

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Yeah, it just really sad that her daughters had to grow up without her.

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She was very close with her daughters and that was something that tipped off her family

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and friends was that she wasn't in contact with them and that's how they knew something

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was wrong.

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Yeah.

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Pretty quickly.

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When you started talking about that, I started thinking about you and your mom and how you,

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when you both get to talking together, it's just like you're friends in your mother-daughter

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relationship and it sounded like that was very present in their relationship and that

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like, I don't know, being a mother and being a parent was a big part of who she was.

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Totally.

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That she didn't get to have more of that.

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Yeah, and her kids didn't get to have more of that.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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If you have anything about what happened to Shirley McAvoy in August of 1990, please call

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the Maine State Police Major Crime Unit at 207-624-7143.

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If you aren't already, you can follow us on Instagram.

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We'll be posting pictures of Shirley and the composite sketch of Jerry.

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That'll be up there so you can see.

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don't already know about it.

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One more update that we have is a few exciting things have been happening for cold and missing

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and our presence in the world.

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We landed on a top 50 list of, could you remind me of the title of the article again?

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Yeah, we were on a top 50 list for the best missing people podcast to listen to in 2023.

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We were number 29.

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Number 29 and that's because of you all.

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There were people that we saw a comment from someone the other day that said, this is my

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That's why we're doing it.

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To see our name on that list, you know that you can multiply that number 29 by 100 or

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That's how many people maybe listen to an episode.

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Yeah, it's such an honor to be a part of your week, to be in your ear at all.

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What an honor.

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Allie was also interviewed for Canvas Rebel and it was an article titled, meet Allie McLaughlin-Solkowski.

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So that's all over there.

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But that's all I have.

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Thanks for hanging in there if you're still listening.

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Appreciate you.

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