Cold and Missing: Shana Jaros

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-Solkowski. And I'm your co -host, Eli Solkowski.

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And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover

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cold cases and missing person cases. Hello, everyone,

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Yes, we are on episode 137, and we are covering

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a cold case, the cold case of Shana Jaros. All

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right, let's get into it. Today, we are talking

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about the cold case of Shana Jaros, and this

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takes place in November of 1995 in Nokomis, Illinois.

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But first, a little bit about Shana. Shana Jaros

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is just 18 years old in 1995. That spring, she

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had graduated from high school, and she was stepping

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into adulthood and independence. She had just

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moved into her first apartment. a small building

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with six units on South Maple Street in Nokomis,

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Illinois. She shared the space with a roommate,

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Tanya, who was close to her in age. Nokomis,

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Illinois is a quiet, close -knit community in

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central Illinois. The population is around 2

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,700 people. Shana worked at Golden Manor Nursing

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Home, a job she had held since she was 16 years

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old. She was a certified nurse's aide. and she

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was known for her ability to connect with people,

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especially the elderly. She had a goal of becoming

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a nurse one day, and she wanted to either work

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with children or the elderly because she enjoyed

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both of them so much. Friends described Shana

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as someone who could get along with anybody,

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kind -hearted, loving. She loved the Miami Dolphins,

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music, and spending time with her family. Shana

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was the oldest of four siblings. She was also

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six foot tall by the time she had graduated high

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school. Her height made her an easy target for

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bullying. But despite this, Shana remained kind

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-hearted. After graduation, she began hanging

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out with a new crowd of friends, people who readily

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accepted her. Her younger sister was a little

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weary of them. She thought they might be a bad

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influence. Shana had a new boyfriend, according

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to reports. And she had just moved into her new

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apartment. She was starting her life. And now,

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a timeline of events. Tuesday, October 31st,

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1995. On Halloween, Shana spent the evening trick

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-or -treating with her friend Kim and Kim's daughter.

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Kim lived across the street and also worked with

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Shana at the nursing home. They were really close.

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Shana's younger brother came to visit and join

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in on the trick -or -treating. When their father,

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Dwayne, picked him up later that night, he remembered

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Shana wearing a blue housecoat as she walked

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her brother out. That evening on Halloween, Shana

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hosted a small housewarming and Halloween party.

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It wasn't a big gathering, just four people.

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Shana, her roommate, Tanya Gilmore, Tanya's boyfriend,

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Jason Carver, and the next -door neighbor, Billy

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Malloy. They spent the night playing cards, laughing,

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and celebrating until around midnight, according

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to her friends. The next day, Wednesday, November

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1st, 1995, at around 6 .50 a .m., Shana's landlord

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was leaving her apartment and she noticed that

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Shana's apartment door was left ajar. She thought

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it was weird, so she called out, but nobody answered.

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Her landlord decided to go inside and make sure

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everything was okay. When she entered the apartment,

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she made the horrific discovery. She found Shana

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dead. She immediately backed up and called police.

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Authorities arrived quickly. It was the first

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murder the local department had seen in 25 years.

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Police quickly start processing the scene. Lots

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of evidence is taken from the house, and finally,

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Shana's body is removed around 1 in the afternoon

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and sent for an autopsy. Investigators noted

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that there was no sign of forced entry at the

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apartment, leading them to believe that Shana

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likely knew her killer. Police also interviewed

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neighbors at this time. One neighbor told police

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that they heard a scuffle coming from Shana's

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apartment around 4 .46 a .m., but they didn't

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see anyone leaving the apartment after this.

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By evening, Sheriff Jim Vassie told the press

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that there were no suspects at this time and

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they were still busy interviewing those who were

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close to Shana. On Thursday, November 2, 1995,

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Shana's autopsy is done. It confirms that Shana

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had been stabbed multiple times, but police don't

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release any more details about that at this time.

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They do say, however, that Shana died from massive

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blood loss. They also say that she was primarily

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stabbed in her upper chest and neck area. It

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is believed that she died in the early morning

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hours of November 1st, but they aren't specific

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about the time. Based off of family comments,

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I do believe that the time is somewhere between

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4, 5 in the morning. We know that toxicology

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reports are done and it takes weeks for them

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to come back, but police never release the results

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of those toxicology reports. Shana's family and

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the small town of Nokomis were shattered by this

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murder. Like I mentioned earlier, Shana's was

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the first murder in 25 years for this community,

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so everyone was shocked by it. Her cousin later

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said, quote, On Saturday, November 4th, 1995,

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only three days after her murder, Shana's late

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to rest just blocks away from her apartment.

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Police still haven't identified a suspect or

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located the murder weapon. But a week after the

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murder, police say that they don't have any leads.

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As winter sets in, Shana's case gets cold. In

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January of 1996, two months after the murder,

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An inquest into Shana's death was held in Hillsboro.

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It confirmed what the autopsy had already told

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us, that she died from massive blood loss due

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to multiple stab wounds in her neck and chest

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area. In June of 1996, so this is seven months

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after the murder, there were no arrests and little

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progress that was made public. Shana's family

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held a candlelight vigil to honor her and to

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bring awareness to her case and other victims

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of violent crime. Frustration grew in the community

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as the case appeared to stall. In October of

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1996, as we approach the one -year anniversary

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of Shana's murder, yellow ribbons still appeared

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all throughout Nokomis. They had been hung up

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shortly after she was murdered to bring awareness

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to her case, and many businesses, houses, had

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just left them up. Shana's father, Duane, said,

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Police say that they are still actively working

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on the case a year later. They say that they

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are waiting on evidence and DNA results from

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the FBI. Results that they had been waiting for,

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for at least six months, they say. Master Sergeant

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Fred Danini told reporters that investigators

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had potential suspects, but were waiting for

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forensic results to narrow their focus. They

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don't name any of the suspects publicly at this

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point. As the months continue to tick by, police

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never do any update about what those FBI results...

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or if they were able to get DNA. They never say

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what those results were. In November of 1998,

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three years after the murder, there are still

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no arrests and still no suspects in the case.

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A $3 ,000 reward was offered for information.

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It is revealed at this time that Shana had been

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stabbed 54 times during the attack. a detail

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that underscored the brutality of the crime.

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By this point, three years later, police had

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conducted over 300 interviews and collected nearly

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200 pieces of evidence. They still believed that

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Shana knew her killer. However, years start to

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pass. Shana's case does come up in the media

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around the anniversary, and her family does an

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incredible job of keeping her face alive. As

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social media starts to become a thing, they get

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on there and create memorial pages for her to

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keep her case active in the community and to

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update people on what's happening. In 2024, 29

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years after the murder, Shana's case remains

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unsolved. Many of her friends from that time,

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specifically those that she was hanging out with

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the summer before she was murdered, have died.

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Authorities say the investigation is still active,

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but they have not released any new information

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and they refuse to answer any questions citing

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the ongoing investigation. But that is really

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all we know about the murder of Shana Jaros.

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So if you know anything about the murder of Shana

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Jaros, you are urged to contact the Illinois

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State Police Zone 6 Investigations at 618 -346

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- So that is the cold case of Shana Jaros. I'm

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not sure if you felt this way while you were

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doing your investigative research into Shana's

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case, but I definitely felt like her story was

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just a bit familiar, more in the sense of, She

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left home at 18 and was making her way in her

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new young adult life. I know you and I did the

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same. And there were a lot of nights that I experienced

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in my youth that was very similar to this one.

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And I mean, you know, playing cards and hanging

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out, living in your new and or first apartment,

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hanging with your friends. It sounded very familiar

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to me. Totally. I remember being, you know, 18,

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19, 20 and just needing to like be with my friends

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every weekend and specifically like playing cards.

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That is something that like I feel like a lot

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of people kind of get into like at 18, 19 years

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old, like you just want to play cards with your

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friends. So I definitely have memories of doing

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that. Yeah, every time my friends moved into

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a new place, like a new apartment, we would always

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have some kind of like housewarming celebration.

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And they could range from really big parties

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to, you know, just kind of an intimate gathering

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like Shana was having for her housewarming slash

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Halloween party. But yeah, the whole scene felt

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very familiar to me and very normal. I will say

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too, around the same age as Shana, Along with

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my roommates experienced a robbery. And I think

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I've mentioned that on this podcast before. But

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law enforcement at the time did say to us, you

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know, whoever did this definitely had eyes on

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your apartment. And when you and your roommates

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were moving in and out of it, I know that they

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said that the person who committed this crime

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probably knew Shana. But I do think that there's

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a possibility here that it. was an outsider.

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I think it's worth mentioning that that's an

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absolute possibility. Yeah, I mean, just to get

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right into it. Yeah, we police have never named

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a suspect, have never even hinted at who a suspect

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might be. But, you know, they said there was

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no forced entry. So they believed or theorized

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that Shana knew her killer. We, of course, have

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talked before on the podcast that there's a lot

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of ways to get somebody to kind of open a door,

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especially maybe if you live in a small, trusting

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community. Maybe, you know, you could get someone

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to open the door and there's not a obvious sign

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of force in that kind of trickery. But, yeah,

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I think it's possible that... Sheena did know

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her killer. And I think with all the information

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we have, which is very little, I think it's also

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a possibility that someone, you know, like you

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said, just kind of walked in or, you know, was

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a random attacker. You know, Sheena had just

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moved into this apartment where the locks changed

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from the previous tenant or previous multiple

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tenants. You know, when was the locks last changed?

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Who still had keys to that apartment that maybe

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shouldn't have had them? Are there any maintenance

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workers or just people servicing the apartment

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building that maybe would have keys to be able

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to let themselves in? There's a lot of possibilities

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here, and I would be curious what has been ruled

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out officially. Just diving deeper into the timeline,

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I think the circumstances around her death and

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the details within it. do lend itself to the

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perpetrator being someone that she knew. I think

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to put it as delicately as possible, it was shocking

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to hear that she was stabbed 54 times. It's very,

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you're very decisive in those moments. That's

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a long time to just that movement over and over

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again. To me, and... You know, having looked

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at true crime for a very long time along with

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you, it's a crime of passion to me. It very much

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says to me that this was personal. Yeah, I think

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the brutality of it and, you know, choosing to

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stab someone that many times does speak to, like,

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a level of anger that feels personal. That someone

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would have to be, like, really, really angry

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to do that to another person. So, yeah, I do

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think, you know, statistically, it is most likely

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somebody that she knew, all things considered.

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But, yeah, just, you know, things we know from

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true crime, it's, you know, stabbing is a crime

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of passion, just like you said. So I do think

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that lends itself to... Shayna knowing who killed

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her. I do think that the 54 times also lends

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itself to a maybe frenzied state. And for me,

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that's where the toxicology report I'm very interested

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in. Again, the 54 times, if not in an extreme

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headspace of... anger or rage or just in a frenzied

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state, it could be a mind -altered state. I'm

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curious to know if whoever was committing this

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crime was using substances that night. And I

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think knowing the toxicology report on her end

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could lead us to questioning more people. I don't

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say us as in we are doing this questioning, but

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in the grand scheme of things, I think the toxicology

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report Could reveal more details. Yeah, and I

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assume police have it. They have those results.

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They never release them, but I know it's a typical

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part of autopsies. So, yeah, just like you said,

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it would just lead to, you know, just a little

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bit more about what happened that night and just

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give a basis to confirm what the friends were

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saying there. Did they say they were doing X,

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Y, and Z? Well, X, Y, and Z showed up here, so

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that supports that. Or did they say, no, we weren't

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doing anything, but X, Y, and Z shows up on the

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report? You know what I mean? Like, it just is

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a fact and, like, a piece of information that

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just helps us solidify, like, facts in the night,

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which, you know, in true crime, to me, it's like

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all facts are friendly, so we should gather as

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much information that we can. Exactly. And I

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think another fact of this case that really stuck

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out to me is that she bled out, which means she

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was left alone and or whoever committed this

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watched that happen, which is very, very frightening

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to me that a person or people were in the room

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while she was dying. And at the end of her life,

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it could have been prevented. That's a big detail

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to me is that either, you know, she was stabbed

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in this frenzied state and the person left or

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they stayed. Either way, it's a horrifying reveal.

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Yeah, like you said, it's one of the few facts

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we do have that she died from blood loss. And

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yeah, it just seems absolutely torturous for

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that to be the cause of death. It really leaves

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me speechless and truly kind of works me up when

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I think about like just the brutality and how

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like murder is always unnecessary. But it's like

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this was completely unnecessary. Like it did

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not need to be so brute. Like why? And, you know,

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just to echo like what her father says, it's

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like he wants to know who killed his daughter

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and why. And, you know, that why. Like really

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gets me in this because it's like, who do you

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think you are to do this to another human and

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then leave? Like, yeah, I just I really get worked

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up about this because it just feels so brutal.

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Yeah, the brutality of this also makes me curious

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of what the weapon was. I'm not sure if you even

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mentioned that or if I if that was something

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that I missed, but. I don't think it's here in

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this case. And I think that really changes the

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motivation around everything. Knowing what that

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weapon was that caused this damage, that ended

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a life, I think could really change the narrative

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of who committed this crime. Yeah, we don't know

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the murder weapon. Police say that they have

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not been able to find it. They've never updated

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if they have found it. But last we knew, they

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were not able to locate it. And no details about,

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you know, what kind of, you know, knife or other

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instrument was used to stab her. And yeah, I

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think that's... That's just another piece of

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evidence. You know, was it a knife from the kitchen?

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You know, something that was there, which would

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lead you to think that, you know, somebody didn't

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come with that. So maybe this was more spur of

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the moment happening. But if it is a knife that

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Shana didn't have and wouldn't have been at her

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apartment, then somebody came with that knife,

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which kind of suggests more pre -planning and

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watching. you know, just almost a different intent.

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So yeah, I agree that having that murder weapon,

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I think, would provide a lot of evidence and

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just kind of knowing just, again, a little bit

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more about what happened that night. And again,

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just on that, like, if I could sit down and,

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like, know anything and just read the case file,

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I'd really want to know what these friends at

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this party said happened. And, you know, did

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her roommate leave that night and sleep somewhere

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else? Was her roommate... there when this happened

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and just didn't wake like what happened and what

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did they say happened because it seems like they

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are all the last people to see shana alive besides

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the killer so minute for minute what happened

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that night and then once you left shana where

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were you minute for minute you know like i'm

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very curious about all of that i'm glad you went

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back to that because it brought me to the beginning

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of the timeline which is the the boyfriend, the

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roommate, the friend, the neighbor? Were they

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included in the 300 interviews? Were they investigated?

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Was anyone in that group a suspect? And I know

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you may not be able to answer those questions,

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but I circled right to that, to the people that

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were around her most immediately. Yeah, we don't

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really know anything. Police have been very tight

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lipped about those friends, what they've said.

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They've never publicly said anything about what

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happened that night beyond, you know, there were

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Shana and three other people there and they were

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playing cards. Her boyfriend's like his identity,

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like this new boyfriend that her family kind

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of talked about. His identity never really comes

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forward. It's unclear if he's one of the boys

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that were. was there um i believe one of them

00:22:49.180 --> 00:22:52.680
was tanya her roommate's boyfriend but yeah just

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what happened what did they say happened and

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it's interesting that like throughout the reporting

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of the story typically like you hear from other

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friends and we heard a lot from sheena's family

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in the reporting but you never heard from the

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roommate which i always thought was a little

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interesting that that roommate obviously would

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be very traumatized so Maybe there's good reason

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she wasn't talking if she is truly innocent.

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But yeah, just a really interesting question

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to know what happened to or what happened with

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all of them and what their story is. You know,

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I do hope in this case that with all the evidence,

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we know police collected a lot of evidence, nearly

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200 pieces. So I would be curious to know what

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evidence they have, if they were ever able to

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get a DNA profile of the killer or. suspected

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killer. And, you know, if they weren't able to

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test it or get that DNA back in 1995, is there

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anything left that we could retest today to maybe

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get an updated profile to put into databases

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to see if there's a hit? Because with a crime

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of this violence, statistically, it seems likely

00:24:00.549 --> 00:24:02.849
that they committed another violent crime that

00:24:02.849 --> 00:24:05.990
would put them in a database. So where is all

00:24:05.990 --> 00:24:08.230
the evidence in this and what is the status of

00:24:08.230 --> 00:24:11.299
it? I hope that this case can be solved because

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there was so much evidence that they're able

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to bring justice and answer and have somebody

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have to answer for all of this. I think our listeners

00:24:22.900 --> 00:24:25.119
will agree that there's a sense of immediacy

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around this case because of how violent her death

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was. So I think that with new ears listening,

00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:38.140
new eyes on Shana's name is only a positive thing.

00:24:39.180 --> 00:24:41.859
So again, if you know anything about the murder

00:24:41.859 --> 00:24:46.259
of Shana Jaros in November of 1995, please call

00:24:46.259 --> 00:24:49.140
the Illinois State Police Zone 6 Investigations

00:24:49.140 --> 00:24:54.759
at 618 -346 -3990 or you can call Crime Stoppers

00:24:54.759 --> 00:25:01.680
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and just get her name out there, only good can

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