Cold and Missing: Kelly Dove

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I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin -Solkowski. And

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I'm your co -host, Eli Solkowski. And this is

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Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and

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missing person cases. Hello everyone and welcome

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back to Cold and Missing. I'm your host, Ali .

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And I'm your co -host, Eli. Welcome back, everyone.

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Just a little housekeeping right at the top.

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Next week is Christmas. I believe Christmas Eve

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is next Thursday, if I'm not mistaken. So we

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will be off next week. Eli and I are traveling

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for the holidays, seeing our family and our friends.

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So we will be busy doing that. I just know myself

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and we will not have time to get an episode up.

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So we'll be off next week, but we'll be back

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for 2026 on January 1st. And moving right back

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into this episode, we are on episode 151 this

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week. That's right. And we are on a missing person

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case. All right, let's get into it. Today, we

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are talking about the missing person case of

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Kelly Dove. in Harrisonburg, Virginia. But first,

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a little bit about Kelly. Kelly Dove is just

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20 years old in 1982. Kelly is a young wife and

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a mother to a four -year -old daughter and a

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sister, one of four sisters who all work together

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at the same place. Kelly was married to Dale

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Dove, who was 25 years old and worked in construction,

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and together they were building a life in Harrisonburg.

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Kelly worked at the Imperial Gas Station located

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at 2141 South Main Street. And this job was very

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familiar to her, as I previously mentioned. Her

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other sisters worked there too, so it was a comfortable

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place. Night shifts were common for her. And

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like many women working alone on the overnight

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shifts in the early 1980s, Kelly was used to

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some uncomfortable situations, unwanted attention

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or obscene phone calls. According to her sisters,

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these were common occurrences at the gas station.

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Kelly's 21st birthday was just weeks away. She

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would have turned 21 on August 30, 1982. And

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now, a timeline of events. Thursday, June 17,

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1982. On Thursday night, Kelly reported to work

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for the third shift at the Imperial Gas Station.

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Her husband, Dale, dropped her off around 10

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o 'clock at night and stayed with her for about

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an hour before leaving. He was there just hanging

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out with her and chatting. According to him,

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nothing seemed out of the ordinary. As the night

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stretched on, Kelly was alone behind the counter.

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We know that she passed the time by reading magazines

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from the newsstand. And slowly, the hours and

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minutes creeped by. And Thursday night became

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Friday morning, June 18, 1982. Police say that

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they're able to account for Kelly's night, minute

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for minute, up until about 2 .15 a .m. What we

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do know is at 2 .27 a .m., Kelly picked up the

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phone and called the Harrisonburg Police Department.

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And police have actually released this 911 call,

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so we're going to play it here. Um, I'm working

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the third shift at the Imperial Gas Station.

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I just had an obscene phone call. And this guy

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came in earlier, and he was kind of dressed improperly,

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but I kind of ignored him. I think it was that

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guy, because he just drove through the parking

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lot a few seconds before I got the call. Could,

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you know, you have somebody kind of keep an eye

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out on me? Okay, this is on... Main Street. South

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Main? Uh -huh. So as you guys heard in this 911

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call, Kelly doesn't sound panicked in the 911

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call. It's pretty matter -of -fact and solid,

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but she is asking for someone to keep an eye

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out on her. She's cautious, but calm. But just

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two minutes later, at 2 .29 a .m., Kelly calls

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911 again. This time, her voice is faster, more

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urgent, and the tape skips, according to those

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that have heard it. She told the dispatcher that

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the man was back in the parking lot. When the

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dispatcher asked what kind of car he was driving,

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Kelly answered, quote, a silver -colored Ford.

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The dispatcher said officers would be notified.

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Kelly thanked them and hung up. According to

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Kelly's sister, Rose, who has listened to the

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second 911 phone call, she says that you can

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hear a shuffle and then the phone abruptly snaps

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at the end. This 911 call is the last confirmed

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contact anyone has with Kelly Dove. However,

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police arrive just minutes later. Her last 911

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call was at 229. And according to police reports,

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they pull up to the gas station at 2 .31 a .m.,

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so minutes later. However, Kelly is nowhere to

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be found. Inside the store, everything looked

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almost untouched. There were no signs of robbery.

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In some reports, it's said that money was left

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on the counter and all the cash remained in the

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cash register. The keys to the safe was still

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in the office, and there were no signs of struggle

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anywhere. Kelly's purse was left behind along

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with her cigarettes and money. The magazine she

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had been reading sat on the counter, folded open

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as if she had just stepped away for a moment.

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One of the officers working the case said that

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it looked like somebody had just stepped into

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the bathroom and would be back at any minute.

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At first, there's a panic and some confusion.

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Officers wonder if Kelly had been abducted in

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her own vehicle because there were no cars at

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the gas station at all. But when they spoke to

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her husband, Dale, they learned that Dale had

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dropped her off at 10 p .m., so there was no

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missing car. Really, the only thing missing from

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the gas station was Kelly. That night, as Dale

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learned that his wife was missing, he spent the

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entire evening just riding around the roads looking

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for any sign of Kelly. He said, quote, I know

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it's a wild goose chase, but it's better than

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just sitting around. The next day, Saturday,

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June 19, 1982, so Kelly has been missing for

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one day, police announced that they were looking

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for a man seen at another convenience store about

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30 minutes before Kelly vanished. The man was

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described as around 25 years old, about 5 '10",

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weighing roughly 150 pounds, with shoulder -length

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blonde hair. He was driving a late -modeled,

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silver -colored car, possibly a Ford. Since Kelly

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had mentioned the silver Ford, this is why police

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think they're connected. But in addition, the

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clerk at the other store reported seeing a two

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-tone silver car driving slowly around 2 a .m.,

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circling the area several times. The clerk told

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police that about two weeks earlier, a man driving

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a similar car had exposed himself to a woman

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working the night shift. Despite this description,

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police don't really get any solid leads here,

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but they do think that these two events are connected.

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On Wednesday, June 23rd, so it's been five days

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since Kelly vanished, and police admit that they

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have no solid leads. Kelly's sister Debbie spoke

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to the media, explaining that obscene phone calls

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and sexual harassment were common when women

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worked the night shift. She said, quote, we get

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those all the time. Kelly's family searched constantly,

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scanning parking lots, watching for silver cars,

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looking for any man who matched the description.

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However, no real solid leads or suspects pop

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up. Really, the only thing that anybody has at

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this moment is hope that they'll find Kelly.

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On Thursday, July 29th, so it's been 41 days

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that Kelly has been missing. With each day, police

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privately worried that Kelly would not be found

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alive. Her family, however, held on to hope that

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she would come home. Investigators believed that

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the abduction happened in seconds, considering

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how tight the timeline is between that last phone

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call and when police say they arrived at the

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scene. The phone Kelly had used to call police

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was just 10 feet from the front door. They theorized

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that a man pulled directly up to the entrance,

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got out, and forced Kelly into the car. and they

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believe the attacker was armed. Police say, quote,

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During the last month of investigation, investigators

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focused heavily on men with prior sex crime convictions.

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Given the obscene phone calls and the sexual

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harassment of the encounter, police believed

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that the crime could be sexually motivated. Police

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noted that since Kelly's disappearance, The gas

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station had only received one obscene phone call

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since she disappeared. Police say that they're

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scrutinizing every detail, going back over Kelly's

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911 calls, even questioning what Kelly could

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have seen. Quote, When Kelly Dove called, did

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she see a silver -colored Ford? Was it silver?

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Dark gray? She wore glasses, was looking through

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tinted glass into a light. So police are really

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questioning. everything about the statement,

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trying to find a lead. However, police are determined,

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quote, we're not about to throw the towel in.

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Sooner or later, we're going to get a break on

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it. However, months begin to go by. In January

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of 1983, so over six months now that Kelly has

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been missing, police acknowledge what her family

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has feared, that they believe Kelly is dead at

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this point. Investigators even theorize that

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they believe that she's buried within 50 miles

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of the gas station, but really don't have any

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proof to hang this on. The FBI has joined the

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case as advisors, but still there's real no breakthrough

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in the case. In 1989, so it's been seven years

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since Kelly vanished, and she's legally declared

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dead. And still... No leads in the case, no suspects

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are named, and the case continues to get colder

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and colder. In 1993, so it's been over 11 years

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at this point, and Kelly's family publicly criticized

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the original investigation. Her mother said she

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believed police bungled the case from the beginning.

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She claimed that on the night Kelly was taken,

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the gas station was never properly secured, that

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customers were still walking in and out thinking

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the place was open. Kelly's sister, Elaine, said,

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quote, There was no police tape up. They weren't

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doing fingerprints. Customers still thought it

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was open. She said that she was told fingerprints

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weren't taken because there would have been too

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many at the scene. She says, quote, That same

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year, in 1993, The newspaper article suggested

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a possible connection between Kelly's disappearance

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and the murder of Paula Jean Chandler and the

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abduction and murder of 12 -year -old Katie Warsky.

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All three crimes happened within weeks of each

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other. Kelly vanished June 18th, Paula vanished

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June 19th, and her body was found just days later.

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And then Katie Warsky went missing just under

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a month later on July 12th. The article named

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a man who had never been interviewed in Kelly's

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case, Glenn Barker. Barker had been convicted

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of the murder of Katie Worski, whose body has

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never been recovered, so he was tried without

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a body. But at the time in 1982, when Kelly vanished,

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Barker drove a silver to dark gray, both colors

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have been described, 1965 Ford Falcon. However,

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after Kelly's disappearance, he painted the car

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blue. Furthermore, Barker had previously been

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charged in 1981, so two years before Kelly's

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disappearance, with assaulting an 18 -year -old

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girl at knife point, so he has a history of violent

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crime against women. Police say in 1993 that

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Barker had never been interviewed by Harrisburg

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police regarding Kelly's disappearance, despite...

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him driving a similar car to what Kelly described

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and what the other gas station clerk said. And

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Barker fit the description of the man seen about

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30 minutes before Kelly vanished at the other

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convenience store. During March of 1993, Barker

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was arrested again during a traffic stop. Police

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found a pellet gun resembling a pistol in his

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car, which he wasn't allowed to have. And underneath

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his car seat, they found a pair of handcuffs.

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After the newspaper publishes this article that

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Barker could be connected to Kelly's disappearance,

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police announce that they're reopening the investigation

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and they intend to look into this connection.

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However, I couldn't find any updates, so I do

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assume that police had talked to Barker at that

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point in 1993 or shortly thereafter, but there's

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never any updates. or if police officially were

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able to rule him out of the investigation, or

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if he's still considered a suspect. However,

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whatever information that they learn in 1993

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or thereafter doesn't really seem to make any

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big commotion in the case. The case goes cold

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and really falls out of the media after that.

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The next big update comes in 2020 when police

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announce that they're reopening the investigation

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again. So they're going to look into Kelly's

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disappearance again. And over the next few years,

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there are some periodic updates. So in June of

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2022, investigators announced that they had narrowed

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down their suspect list from four people to just

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one. However, almost like in the same breath

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as saying they have this one suspect, they acknowledge

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the possibility that Kelly's case could be part

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of a larger pattern and they could be dealing

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with an outside serial killer. So it might not

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even be the suspect that they're looking at.

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So they're pretty vague and they don't name the

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suspect in the case. In 2023, Kelly's sister

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Elaine spoke about the weight of waiting. She

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says, quote, you have to have hope. There's nothing

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else you can do. Investigators say that the biggest

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challenge now is evidence, degraded DNA specifically.

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Police need to be careful with what evidence

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they do send away because it's been over 40 years

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since Kelly's disappearance. So a lot of the

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DNA could have just been destroyed over the years.

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just won't be a good sample. So that is a challenge

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that they're facing. But it does sound like there

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could be some DNA in this case, or at least potentially

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some things that could be tested for DNA, it

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sounds like. Police say in 2023 that they are

00:16:04.379 --> 00:16:07.200
closer than ever. And when they talk about this

00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:09.620
case, and they're still saying that there's just

00:16:09.620 --> 00:16:12.500
one suspect in the case, they still declined

00:16:12.500 --> 00:16:15.659
to name him in 2023, but they talk very confidently

00:16:15.659 --> 00:16:18.720
about the case. saying things along the line

00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:21.159
of what they know and what they're able to prove

00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:23.700
are two different things. So it sounds like police

00:16:23.700 --> 00:16:26.960
have a very strong theory of what happened and

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something that they believe is the truth, but

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they're not able to prove it at this point with

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evidence. So it looks like they're still missing

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something to really bring this case home. So

00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:39.879
with that, if you have any information about

00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:43.480
the disappearance of Kelly Dove in 1982 or her

00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:46.389
whereabouts today, please call the Harrisonburg

00:16:46.389 --> 00:16:53.889
Police Department at 540 -437 -2650. So that

00:16:53.889 --> 00:16:57.590
is the missing person case of Kelly Dove. I feel

00:16:57.590 --> 00:16:59.929
a bit more comfortable just jumping right into

00:16:59.929 --> 00:17:02.950
the timeline of Kelly's disappearance because

00:17:02.950 --> 00:17:06.829
throughout the questions I ask you, I will be

00:17:06.829 --> 00:17:11.950
talking about both Kelly's character and personality.

00:17:14.250 --> 00:17:16.470
More than anything, and I know we got to hear

00:17:16.470 --> 00:17:19.309
the first 911 call, more than anything, I would

00:17:19.309 --> 00:17:23.089
love to hear the second one because it sounds

00:17:23.089 --> 00:17:28.529
like to me and how family spoke about it, that

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auditorily you maybe would have been able to

00:17:30.950 --> 00:17:33.930
hear or gain some sense of what was happening

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with her and around her in those final moments

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before the phone cut off. Yeah, I agree. We get

00:17:41.170 --> 00:17:43.430
to hear the first one, which I think is great

00:17:43.430 --> 00:17:48.430
information, just hearing how calm she is and

00:17:48.430 --> 00:17:49.970
kind of matter of fact during that first phone

00:17:49.970 --> 00:17:53.769
call. But I agree. I would like to hear the second

00:17:53.769 --> 00:17:56.950
one. And according to the family, you can hear

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something right at the end, like a scuffle, shuffling,

00:18:00.589 --> 00:18:05.829
and then the phone kind of snapping off. So I

00:18:05.829 --> 00:18:09.660
think there is. evidence in that second phone

00:18:09.660 --> 00:18:12.779
call for sure. Even if the tape skips and like

00:18:12.779 --> 00:18:16.039
maybe cuts out a little bit, I think there's

00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:19.140
strong evidence in that second phone call. Another

00:18:19.140 --> 00:18:22.259
question I had, which was confirmed in your timeline

00:18:22.259 --> 00:18:26.579
later, was did you think that someone approached

00:18:26.579 --> 00:18:30.519
her with a weapon? And what the context clues

00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:34.220
I used to reach that confirmation was the state.

00:18:34.670 --> 00:18:36.910
that the store was in that it looked almost like

00:18:36.910 --> 00:18:40.170
she just stepped away from what she was doing.

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So I think, yes, that someone approached her

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with a weapon because that's the only way she

00:18:46.470 --> 00:18:49.809
was going to leave. I said I would speak about

00:18:49.809 --> 00:18:52.789
her character and like someone else confirmed,

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she sounded really scrappy, like she could handle

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herself. She was someone who was working this

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third shift regularly and was no stranger to

00:19:00.789 --> 00:19:07.819
the pretty regular abhorrent behavior of men

00:19:07.819 --> 00:19:10.819
during the 3 a .m. shift. And I'm sure some of

00:19:10.819 --> 00:19:12.799
our listeners are no stranger to that behavior

00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:15.099
as well. If you've worked third shift before,

00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:19.380
I know you are not a stranger to it as my wife.

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I've been witness to it while, you know, doing

00:19:23.059 --> 00:19:25.960
exactly what her husband was doing, hanging out

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with you during your first hour or last hour

00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:32.519
of a second shift or third shift. And I would

00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:36.880
witness that behavior. So, yeah, I agree with

00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:40.119
law enforcement's take on that, that whoever

00:19:40.119 --> 00:19:43.920
approached her and disappeared her most likely

00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:47.220
had a weapon. Yeah. You know, Kelly is really

00:19:47.220 --> 00:19:50.720
scrappy. And I think, you know, like you mentioned,

00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:53.140
I've worked overnight shifts where I'm, you know,

00:19:53.140 --> 00:19:57.279
working at a place at 3 a .m. And my mom also

00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:00.039
she used to work at a gas station overnight like

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this exact job. And it just takes like. a scrappier

00:20:04.220 --> 00:20:07.279
gal to work at. That's always going to be the

00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:09.019
case, I think, is that a scrappier girl is going

00:20:09.019 --> 00:20:13.039
to take the job. So I think that's true in Kelly's

00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.200
case, is that she could handle her own. And so

00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:17.480
the only way someone was getting her away from

00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:21.059
the gas station quickly, quietly, and without

00:20:21.059 --> 00:20:27.079
a fight was with a strong weapon. So I do agree

00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:29.180
with police here. And yeah, I think that's the

00:20:29.180 --> 00:20:32.000
right conclusion. Especially considering the

00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:33.900
state of the store, I think if somebody had just

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tried to grab her, she would have really fought

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and there would have been a mess left at the

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store for the police to find because they're

00:20:41.940 --> 00:20:44.700
there just minutes later. So, yeah, I think it's

00:20:44.700 --> 00:20:47.079
a weapon and I do think it's a gun in this case.

00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:54.720
Just to pivot quickly to Kelly's husband, I just

00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:58.309
really feel for him. They were so young and were

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just really getting their life started. And his

00:21:02.069 --> 00:21:06.289
reaction is, I think, exactly how I would behave.

00:21:06.549 --> 00:21:08.769
Like, I would just start looking for you. I wouldn't

00:21:08.769 --> 00:21:12.690
really wait or listen to anyone, I think. I think

00:21:12.690 --> 00:21:18.549
my response would be exactly what his was. And

00:21:18.549 --> 00:21:21.849
I really think he put his all into trying to

00:21:21.849 --> 00:21:25.650
find his wife. Yeah, my heart just really goes

00:21:25.650 --> 00:21:28.529
out to him because I think he married into such

00:21:28.529 --> 00:21:31.150
a beautiful family and it sounded like they were

00:21:31.150 --> 00:21:34.849
just beginning to build what the rest of their

00:21:34.849 --> 00:21:37.650
lives would look like together. Yeah, I think

00:21:37.650 --> 00:21:40.029
when he says like it's, you know, I know it's

00:21:40.029 --> 00:21:41.509
a wild goose chase, but it's like better than

00:21:41.509 --> 00:21:44.390
sitting around. It's loosely what he says. I'm

00:21:44.390 --> 00:21:45.950
not I don't think I'm quoting verbatim there,

00:21:46.069 --> 00:21:49.150
but I think that's it. Like if, you know, someone

00:21:49.150 --> 00:21:51.950
that you love is missing, like I think it would

00:21:51.950 --> 00:21:55.859
feel in. sane to just like sit I like I'd want

00:21:55.859 --> 00:21:58.160
to jump out of my skin I'd want to just be moving

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and looking and running my eyes over things just

00:22:01.059 --> 00:22:06.039
trying to like find the person that I love and

00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:08.819
you know they have a young daughter too that

00:22:08.819 --> 00:22:11.460
I know this must have been so confusing for and

00:22:11.460 --> 00:22:13.779
really difficult to grow up without your mom

00:22:13.779 --> 00:22:17.339
there so yeah this whole family like my heart

00:22:17.339 --> 00:22:22.890
just breaks for them because Kelly Seems like

00:22:22.890 --> 00:22:25.009
such an amazing person, and it's so unfair that

00:22:25.009 --> 00:22:28.390
she didn't get to finish what she started, you

00:22:28.390 --> 00:22:30.049
know, raising her daughter, her marriage. You

00:22:30.049 --> 00:22:31.509
know, she didn't get to finish those things that

00:22:31.509 --> 00:22:35.069
she started, and I hate that for her and those

00:22:35.069 --> 00:22:40.390
that love her. With hearing the first 911 call,

00:22:40.650 --> 00:22:45.569
I have heard this tone in your voice when you

00:22:45.569 --> 00:22:49.599
have been dealing with difficult men. I have

00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:51.940
heard this tone, and in that first phone call,

00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:55.380
you know, she sounds, she's aware and alert,

00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:58.079
concerned as to what's happening, but she sounds

00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:05.700
over it. To me, she did not sound panicked or

00:23:05.700 --> 00:23:09.039
super nervous, but it also didn't sound like

00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:12.559
she knew who the person was. And that's something

00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:16.039
that I just wanted to... take extra note of was

00:23:16.039 --> 00:23:20.519
this person wasn't recognizable to her. Not that

00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:25.279
she got like a full confirmation, but in that

00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:28.019
911 call, she didn't give like a full description.

00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:31.559
So as far as I'm concerned, I don't think she

00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:34.940
knew who the person was, but I think that maybe

00:23:34.940 --> 00:23:40.539
he knew who she was, or at least aware that a

00:23:40.539 --> 00:23:43.880
woman was guaranteed going to be working at that.

00:23:44.650 --> 00:23:48.789
gas station that evening. And that brings me

00:23:48.789 --> 00:23:52.950
to my next question is, do you think that the

00:23:52.950 --> 00:23:57.630
person that most likely disappeared her, do you

00:23:57.630 --> 00:24:00.650
think this was someone that had their eyes on

00:24:00.650 --> 00:24:04.650
the gas station location and was counting on

00:24:04.650 --> 00:24:08.990
maybe even Kelly herself being there, but at

00:24:08.990 --> 00:24:11.789
least for sure that a woman would be working

00:24:11.789 --> 00:24:15.920
that evening? It's a great question. For me,

00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:20.180
I think my mind goes to the other convenience

00:24:20.180 --> 00:24:23.640
store a little bit, where at around 2 a .m.,

00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:27.559
so roughly a half hour before Kelly starts to

00:24:27.559 --> 00:24:31.400
do the 911 calls, this guy was seen kind of circling

00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:33.440
the parking lot, and it matched the description

00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:37.000
of a guy who had been harassing a woman who was

00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:39.059
working there a few nights before, maybe a few

00:24:39.059 --> 00:24:42.940
weeks before, something like that. I almost wonder

00:24:42.940 --> 00:24:48.579
and like if this guy who did this, if his intent

00:24:48.579 --> 00:24:53.039
was this other gas station and he like kind of

00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:56.920
had his like eyes set on a particular person

00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:00.140
there. But like they shifted around the work

00:25:00.140 --> 00:25:02.039
schedules because of this harassment that was

00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:04.319
happening. So men were working the night shift.

00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:08.779
And so was he like just going out committed?

00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:13.029
He was going to do this thing. And then his like

00:25:13.029 --> 00:25:15.069
a wrench was thrown into his plan. So now he's

00:25:15.069 --> 00:25:17.829
just driving around trying to find a gas station

00:25:17.829 --> 00:25:20.170
with a woman working. Or was this just his M

00:25:20.170 --> 00:25:22.269
.O.? Like he was going to do it at the first

00:25:22.269 --> 00:25:27.549
gas station that he I don't know. I. I take note

00:25:27.549 --> 00:25:31.329
of the fact that after. Kelly's disappearance,

00:25:31.569 --> 00:25:34.950
there's only like one obscene phone call. I would

00:25:34.950 --> 00:25:37.390
be curious if police think that's the same person

00:25:37.390 --> 00:25:42.130
who did this or is it just a random thing? I

00:25:42.130 --> 00:25:44.509
don't know. You know, it's a very vulnerable

00:25:44.509 --> 00:25:48.450
position to be working by yourself late at night

00:25:48.450 --> 00:25:52.509
at a gas station. Like I can only imagine how

00:25:52.509 --> 00:25:55.690
vulnerable that must feel. So really anyone who

00:25:55.690 --> 00:25:58.390
pulled up there could have just seen an opportunity

00:25:58.390 --> 00:26:07.029
and. acted on it. And we have no idea. It's so

00:26:07.029 --> 00:26:09.670
random, it feels like. But maybe it was targeted.

00:26:09.750 --> 00:26:12.309
Maybe somebody was watching. But I don't know.

00:26:12.690 --> 00:26:16.150
I did read in one report that Kelly might have

00:26:16.150 --> 00:26:19.210
picked up this shift from somebody else. It might

00:26:19.210 --> 00:26:21.750
have been one of her sisters. I only read that

00:26:21.750 --> 00:26:23.849
in one report. I didn't see that repeated a lot.

00:26:23.910 --> 00:26:26.539
So I'm not sure if that's factual. But if that

00:26:26.539 --> 00:26:28.720
is the case, then Kelly wasn't even supposed

00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:31.680
to be working that night at all. So then that

00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:34.299
almost leads me more towards like it was somebody

00:26:34.299 --> 00:26:36.420
who was looking for the opportunity and then

00:26:36.420 --> 00:26:41.940
found it. I understand that there are many reasons

00:26:41.940 --> 00:26:47.160
for declaring someone legally deceased after

00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:49.160
a certain amount of time, especially in cases

00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:53.859
like this. But this was a moment where my stomach

00:26:53.859 --> 00:27:00.490
just sank. And the fire under me to find answers

00:27:00.490 --> 00:27:06.789
became that much more raging because it seemed

00:27:06.789 --> 00:27:10.190
so soon that the declaration of her being deceased

00:27:10.190 --> 00:27:14.049
happened, even though it wasn't. It was multiple

00:27:14.049 --> 00:27:19.690
years, seven years, I think you said. But I want

00:27:19.690 --> 00:27:23.849
answers. I want answers so badly for this family.

00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:27.579
But in that part of the timeline, it's really

00:27:27.579 --> 00:27:35.240
where I started to lose a little bit of hope.

00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:39.460
But hearing that they're still working in 2023

00:27:39.460 --> 00:27:46.539
gave me so much. It was a small breath of fresh

00:27:46.539 --> 00:27:51.160
air in the wake of something that's truly horrific.

00:27:52.059 --> 00:27:55.059
Yeah, I love to see that there is energy behind

00:27:55.059 --> 00:27:57.900
it. In the last five years, in the last six years,

00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:02.440
we're really seeing some energy, resources, money

00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:07.559
put towards Kelly's case because I do think it's

00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:10.799
solvable. It seems like police are right there.

00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:13.859
They're right on the cusp of making an arrest,

00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:16.900
but they just need those little missing pieces,

00:28:17.099 --> 00:28:21.460
whatever that is. If it's DNA, I hope we get

00:28:21.460 --> 00:28:24.500
that DNA. If it's just like confirmation of like,

00:28:24.740 --> 00:28:29.000
oh, I, you know, 40 years ago, I said this person

00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:31.039
was with me, but they actually weren't. You know,

00:28:31.059 --> 00:28:33.140
I lied about their alibi. Like, you know, something

00:28:33.140 --> 00:28:35.960
like that, that last little piece of information

00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:39.259
that's just needed to close this case and get

00:28:39.259 --> 00:28:41.980
this family answers. I mean, they have been holding

00:28:41.980 --> 00:28:46.240
out and hoping for answers. And yeah, I mean,

00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:50.650
it's always. I totally understand what you mean

00:28:50.650 --> 00:28:53.250
when like somebody is declared legally dead in

00:28:53.250 --> 00:28:55.869
these cases where they've been missing for so

00:28:55.869 --> 00:28:58.690
long because and families speak about this, too.

00:28:58.730 --> 00:29:00.650
It's like they're not giving up hope. They still

00:29:00.650 --> 00:29:05.150
desperately have hope that their loved one is

00:29:05.150 --> 00:29:07.920
out there. But most of the time it's like they

00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.519
need to do this to move things forward, whether

00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:13.140
that be like, you know, estate stuff, social

00:29:13.140 --> 00:29:15.220
security benefits for children. So sometimes

00:29:15.220 --> 00:29:17.200
it's like legally it's just like the next thing

00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:21.539
that has to happen. But it's so I can't even

00:29:21.539 --> 00:29:23.980
imagine that feeling that the family must wrestle

00:29:23.980 --> 00:29:27.839
with to do it and to make that declaration, because

00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:31.339
I'm sure so many would love to have like a caveat

00:29:31.339 --> 00:29:33.480
on it. It's like, yes, we're doing this, but

00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.400
we hope she's still alive. I feel like that's

00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:39.619
what every family is saying when they do this.

00:29:40.339 --> 00:29:46.279
Now, I do want to bring up Barker. And I guess

00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:49.940
this is more speculation on our end, but the

00:29:49.940 --> 00:29:53.920
moment you brought him up, he seemed like a very

00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:58.599
probable suspect to me, especially the detail

00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:02.250
about painting the car. I wanted to know. what

00:30:02.250 --> 00:30:06.049
your take was and if you think in at least as

00:30:06.049 --> 00:30:09.509
far as you know as recent as 2023 goes do you

00:30:09.509 --> 00:30:13.549
think that he's maybe someone who is um on that

00:30:13.549 --> 00:30:18.559
list of probable suspects yeah i think I think

00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:21.339
Barker is really suspicious and like specifically

00:30:21.339 --> 00:30:23.259
to what you point to, like the painting of the

00:30:23.259 --> 00:30:27.220
car, because for the murder that he was convicted

00:30:27.220 --> 00:30:30.380
in, if I'm not mistaken, he paints the car before

00:30:30.380 --> 00:30:32.799
that murder. So it's like, why are you doing

00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:36.740
that if you haven't murdered somebody yet? I

00:30:36.740 --> 00:30:39.950
believe that's right in the timeline, but. If

00:30:39.950 --> 00:30:43.349
police have been able to rule him out, I feel

00:30:43.349 --> 00:30:45.210
like they should come out and say like we've

00:30:45.210 --> 00:30:47.869
ruled him out, especially when like the paper

00:30:47.869 --> 00:30:50.369
is kind of publicly calling it out and like making

00:30:50.369 --> 00:30:52.289
these connections between these three cases.

00:30:52.769 --> 00:30:55.269
It just seems like the responsible thing to do

00:30:55.269 --> 00:30:58.230
would be if you 100 percent ruled it out, then

00:30:58.230 --> 00:31:01.089
like just say not considered a suspect for X,

00:31:01.210 --> 00:31:05.599
Y, Z reason. But because they haven't done that

00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:07.160
and they've never really mentioned him again

00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:09.559
after, you know, the newspaper kind of calls

00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:12.519
him out, I wonder if he's still on that list

00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:14.579
and they're trying to kind of protect the investigation

00:31:14.579 --> 00:31:19.539
a little bit. They say they limited the suspect

00:31:19.539 --> 00:31:25.579
pool from four to one. I don't know if he's included

00:31:25.579 --> 00:31:29.519
in that four, the one. I'm not sure. But we don't

00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.450
have any of the names of it. But hopefully in

00:31:32.450 --> 00:31:35.529
this case, we do get answers. Kelly's family

00:31:35.529 --> 00:31:37.829
gets the answers that they're looking for, and

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they're able to bring Kelly home ultimately and

00:31:40.490 --> 00:31:43.930
give her a proper resting place, which the family

00:31:43.930 --> 00:31:46.490
so desperately wants to do. So again, if you

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have any information about the disappearance

00:31:48.269 --> 00:31:52.269
of Kelly Dove in 1982 or her whereabouts today,

00:31:52.509 --> 00:31:54.869
please call the Harrisonburg Police Department

00:31:54.869 --> 00:32:01.670
at 540 -437 -2650. And we will have pictures

00:32:01.670 --> 00:32:04.470
of Kelly on our Instagram at coldandmissing.

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We'll also have that suspect sketch of the man

00:32:07.430 --> 00:32:10.559
seen at the convenience store. 30 minutes beforehand,

00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:13.700
but police think is connected. We will have that

00:32:13.700 --> 00:32:16.740
suspect sketch as well on our Instagram at coldandmissing.

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You can follow us there where you'll get all

00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:23.119
the updates into 2026 and beyond. So please follow

00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:25.700
us if you're not already. It's a great resource

00:32:25.700 --> 00:32:29.200
for current missing person cases, current cold

00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:32.240
cases, all that. So you can find us at coldandmissing.

00:32:33.299 --> 00:32:36.460
Also on our website, www .coldandmissing .com,

00:32:36.539 --> 00:32:38.559
if you or a loved one is hard of hearing, we

00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:40.859
have our official transcripts there where everything

00:32:40.859 --> 00:32:43.660
is spelled out correctly. So please, if you need

00:32:43.660 --> 00:32:45.339
them, you can find them there along with the

00:32:45.339 --> 00:32:47.660
rest of our old episodes. And you can contact

00:32:47.660 --> 00:32:50.839
us there if you'd like to reach out to us. And

00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:52.759
if you have the time today, if you could leave

00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.119
us a five -star review, it really goes a long

00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:57.720
way in getting this podcast in front of other

00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:00.920
folks. who might be interested in it. So please,

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if you could do that, if you've never heard of

00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:05.759
Kelly's case, give us a five -star review for

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cases you've never heard about. So give us that

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review and that gets Kelly's case out there.

00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:13.579
Bing bang boom, you are doing advocacy work for

00:33:13.579 --> 00:33:16.519
missing person cases, cold cases. So thank you

00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:19.140
so much for doing that. Appreciate you so much.

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And the kind words whenever you write one, oh,

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makes my heart sore. So thank you so much. They

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really do mean so much to us. especially to Allie.

00:33:28.490 --> 00:33:31.369
She works so incredibly hard on this podcast

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week after week. And when she comes into whatever

00:33:35.309 --> 00:33:38.210
room I'm in in our house, tinkering with something

00:33:38.210 --> 00:33:41.549
and shows me a review, it brings me so much joy

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and tells me that the mission that we have here

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with Cold and Missing is coming to full fruition.

00:33:49.950 --> 00:33:52.089
You guys are doing exactly what we want you to

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do as listeners, which is... amplify these cases

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and share them with the rest of the world. So

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thank you so much. But that is all I have for

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you this week. Thank you so much for listening

00:34:02.529 --> 00:34:05.470
to Cold and Missing. I'm your host, Allie. And

00:34:05.470 --> 00:34:08.130
I'm your co -host, Eli. Have a good week and

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stay safe, y 'all. Stay safe, y 'all.