Cold and Missing: Jenny Lin

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,780The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts.200:00:13,780 --> 00:00:18,400All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.300:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,160Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages.400:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,560Listener discretion is advised.500:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,280I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski.600:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,680And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski.700:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,360And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases.800:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,760Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing.900:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,200I'm your host, Ali.1000:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,000And I am your co-host, Eli.1100:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,920We're back together for this week.1200:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,400Yeah, we're always together.1300:00:45,400 --> 00:00:50,920I got a new job on top of all my other little jobs.1400:00:50,920 --> 00:00:57,440One that I'm very happy at, but it was an adjustment.1500:00:57,440 --> 00:01:05,320Going back to just a different schedule, but yeah, I'm trying to be as consistent as possible1600:01:05,320 --> 00:01:09,000in my co-host place here.1700:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,360But we are together always.1800:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,440Yes, we have not broken up.1900:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,720We are together always.2000:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,000I don't know where we're at.2100:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,920Episode 60 something.2200:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,600I think it's episode 67.2300:01:23,600 --> 00:01:24,600All right.2400:01:24,600 --> 00:01:30,520Is this a cold or missing person's case?2500:01:30,520 --> 00:01:31,800This is a cold case.2600:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,680All right, let's jump into it.2700:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,240Today we are talking about the cold case of Jenny Lin.2800:01:38,240 --> 00:01:44,040And this takes place in May of 1994 in Castro Valley, California.2900:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,280But first a little bit about Jenny.3000:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,580Jenny was 14 years old in 1994.3100:01:49,580 --> 00:01:54,120She had just celebrated her 14th birthday two days before her murder.3200:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,760She would be 43 years old today.3300:01:56,760 --> 00:02:01,200Jenny was just weeks away from her middle school graduation where she was an exceptional3400:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,200student.3500:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,480She was slated to be the valedictorian and was an accomplished musician playing both3600:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,840the viola and piano.3700:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,520Jenny was well liked and had a lot of friends at Canyon Middle School.3800:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,600Jenny lived with her mother and father in an upscale neighborhood with a very low crime3900:02:16,600 --> 00:02:17,600rate.4000:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,080Her older sister was at Stanford University.4100:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,180Jenny had a usual routine after school.4200:02:23,180 --> 00:02:27,900She would usually get off the bus between 2.30 and 2.45, walk the block from the bus4300:02:27,900 --> 00:02:34,080stop to her home, play with the family dog, watch TV, and then start on her homework.4400:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,920She would usually fit in a little music practice and chatting on the phone in there as well.4500:02:38,920 --> 00:02:41,640And now a timeline of events.4600:02:41,640 --> 00:02:48,720On Friday, May 27th, 1994, Jenny had a normal day at school and got home at her usual time4700:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,520between 2.30 and 2.45.4800:02:51,520 --> 00:02:56,760Jenny's mother, May Leanne, calls the house that afternoon but Jenny doesn't pick up.4900:02:56,760 --> 00:03:01,160However, we do know that Jenny talked with two friends on the phone that evening and5000:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,600she sounded fine.5100:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,840Her last phone call was around 5.15 p.m.5200:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,000Now I'm not sure if that's when she hung up or when she started the call.5300:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,160But this would be the last time anyone spoke with Jenny.5400:03:13,160 --> 00:03:18,600When her father arrives home at 6.45 p.m., he notices that a sliding glass door that5500:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,780led into the backyard was open.5600:03:20,780 --> 00:03:25,880When he goes upstairs into the master bathroom, he stumbles into a horrible scene.5700:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,040Jenny is found in a pool of blood.5800:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,840She had multiple stab wounds in her abdomen and her clothes had been forcibly removed5900:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,520according to police.6000:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,320She was bound with duct tape.6100:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,120There were no signs of a struggle.6200:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,200The home had not been ransacked and nothing was missing or stolen.6300:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,080There was very little blood elsewhere in the home outside of the bathroom.6400:03:46,080 --> 00:03:52,280John immediately calls the police who are baffled by the gruesome crime scene in the quiet neighborhood.6500:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,800Police begin processing the scene and despite her clothes being removed, Jenny did not appear6600:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,960to be sexually assaulted, but police will wait for the autopsy results before this is6700:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,760ruled out as a motive.6800:04:02,760 --> 00:04:08,320Lieutenant Ted Nelson says, quote, There aren't even signs of any intent to rob the home.6900:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,080The whole thing appears very controlled, end quote.7000:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,920Jenny's body is removed from the home in the early hours of Saturday, May 28th and7100:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,600despite the odd hour, neighbors are outside just waiting to say goodbye to the sweet girl7200:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,760they all knew who always had a smile on her face.7300:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,840The neighborhood is shocked by the gruesome murder of Jenny and the overall safety that7400:04:28,840 --> 00:04:31,480the neighbors had felt had been shattered.7500:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,120People used to leave their doors open before the murder of Jenny.7600:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,640But after that is no longer the case.7700:04:37,640 --> 00:04:44,240A neighbor Sophia Limanos says, quote, I moved here because it's safe, but not now.7800:04:44,240 --> 00:04:45,920She was a friendly, nice girl.7900:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,720We are all so upset, end quote.8000:04:48,720 --> 00:04:53,120Police reach out to the FBI to try to get help in their investigation, specifically a8100:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,680profiler to help give shape to the suspect.8200:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,840Police spend Saturday processing the crime scene and searching the wooded hilly area8300:05:00,840 --> 00:05:05,480behind the Lin home to see if there's any evidence out there as investigators believe8400:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,560that the killer could have slipped out through the back and not been seen by anyone.8500:05:09,560 --> 00:05:15,400On Sunday, May 29th, just two days after Jenny's murder, her autopsy is conducted, but it sheds8600:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,200no light on the motive.8700:05:17,200 --> 00:05:21,880The autopsy confirms what police thought that she had not been sexually assaulted.8800:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,600She had been stabbed several times in the stomach.8900:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,600Police have very little to go off of.9000:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,820They wonder if the killer was a drifter who just happened to find an open door or if the9100:05:30,820 --> 00:05:34,560intent was to rob the home, but Jenny's presence interrupted them.9200:05:34,560 --> 00:05:40,040Lieutenant Ted Nelson says, quote, it appears that the motive was to kill her, but why?9300:05:40,040 --> 00:05:44,880She's just a cute little sweetheart of a girl, just a nice kid, end quote.9400:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,440Police are stumped as to why the murderer would take off her clothes if she was not9500:05:48,440 --> 00:05:49,440assaulted.9600:05:49,440 --> 00:05:54,160Again, Lieutenant Ted Nelson says, quote, we'd sure like to know why he did that.9700:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,720It's one of the big issues, end quote.9800:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,920Police pretty quickly believe that a man committed the murder due to how quickly Jenny was overpowered9900:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,760and police believe that Jenny did not know him.10000:06:04,760 --> 00:06:09,120Police continue to search the woods behind her home and question neighbors.10100:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,520Her family and friends set up the Jenny Lin Trust Fund to start to collect donations for10200:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,100a reward for information leading to the arrest of her killer.10300:06:17,100 --> 00:06:22,480On Tuesday, May 31st, 1994, police hold a press conference to plead to the public for10400:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,840information about Jenny's killer.10500:06:24,840 --> 00:06:29,720Her father, John, speaks at the press conference and he recalls a strange interaction that10600:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,980happened two weeks before the murder.10700:06:31,980 --> 00:06:36,760He tells the police and the public that a man had approached him in the Bayfair BART10800:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,800station parking lot.10900:06:38,800 --> 00:06:43,720So BART stands for the Bay Area Rapid Transit, so a train parking lot.11000:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,880John was headed home after working in San Francisco when a disheveled man approaches11100:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,720John's car and says something along the lines of, quote, I have a proposition for11200:06:52,720 --> 00:06:53,720you.11300:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,000I got your daughter, end quote.11400:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,320John dismisses the man as a kook.11500:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,760He knows that Jenny is at her viola lesson and when he gets home, he calls his daughter11600:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,320at Stanford and she is fine and well.11700:07:05,320 --> 00:07:10,040John doesn't report this encounter to police or even think about it again until after Jenny's11800:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,040murder.11900:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,940Police have never been able to ID the man who approached John at the station, but police12000:07:15,940 --> 00:07:18,780believe the events are not connected.12100:07:18,780 --> 00:07:22,680John had never seen the man before and can only give police a vague description of what12200:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,160he looked like.12300:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,680Police share that they believe the killer entered the home either through the sliding12400:07:27,680 --> 00:07:32,560glass door or through a window that was broken and that the only intent of the person was12500:07:32,560 --> 00:07:37,320to kill Jenny or someone else in the family since nothing else happened at the home.12600:07:37,320 --> 00:07:42,520John tells the media, quote, we are a very simple, hardworking family with outstanding12700:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,000children, living a straightforward American lifestyle.12800:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,280We never did anything to hurt anyone.12900:07:48,280 --> 00:07:53,280We cannot imagine how Jenny could be the target of such a murder, end quote.13000:07:53,280 --> 00:07:59,160On Thursday, June 2nd, just six days after Jenny's murder, over 1200 people gathered13100:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,200to celebrate her life at her memorial service.13200:08:02,200 --> 00:08:07,600Her casket is lined with stuffed animals, troll dolls, and she is buried with her viola.13300:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,540Her mother accepts all of her school awards she would have gotten at her graduation that13400:08:11,540 --> 00:08:14,320are awarded to her at her memorial service.13500:08:14,320 --> 00:08:19,440On June 8th, 12 days after the murder, Jenny's family, friends, and community have raised13600:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,520$50,000 for the reward fund.13700:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,000Now at this point in the timeline, Jenny's case takes a little bit of a sideline in the13800:08:27,000 --> 00:08:32,520press because on June 12th, the Nicole Brown Simpson murder takes place and that dominates13900:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,240the headlines.14000:08:34,240 --> 00:08:40,560But on Tuesday, June 14th, 18 days after the murder, police begin to walk back their statement14100:08:40,560 --> 00:08:44,160that sexual assault was not a motive in this case.14200:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,620They believe that the murderer could have been a serial rapist.14300:08:47,620 --> 00:08:52,320In talking about the crime scene, Lieutenant Ted Nelson says, quote, it indicates that14400:08:52,320 --> 00:08:56,860this may have been some type of sexual assault that was interrupted.14500:08:56,860 --> 00:09:00,480This is all a theory at this point, but we can't rule anything out.14600:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,100We can't afford to put our blinders on.14700:09:03,100 --> 00:09:07,500This was a cold and calculated killing and the fact that the crime scene was limited14800:09:07,500 --> 00:09:12,100to just the upstairs bathroom where the girl was killed indicates that the suspect took14900:09:12,100 --> 00:09:15,000pains to keep evidence to a minimum.15000:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,400We think that the killer took her clothes off, which supports sexual assault as a possible15100:09:19,400 --> 00:09:20,560motive.15200:09:20,560 --> 00:09:24,200And if the suspect did this once, he could have done it before, which leads us to the15300:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,040possible serial aspect of this case.15400:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,240End quote.15500:09:28,240 --> 00:09:33,400Police are slowly working their way through the 125 tips they have received and FBI profilers15600:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,600are assisting on the case in creating a profile of the suspect.15700:09:37,600 --> 00:09:42,560Over the next week, police are able to track down and eliminate three motorcyclists that15800:09:42,560 --> 00:09:46,080were seen in the neighborhood that day that Jenny was murdered.15900:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,200With these leads eliminated, police return to the hills behind the Lin home, hoping16000:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,960to find more evidence.16100:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,260Lieutenant Ted Nelson says, quote, We've already gone over the area with dogs and16200:09:56,260 --> 00:09:58,420on foot for physical evidence.16300:09:58,420 --> 00:10:03,080What we want to have another look at is the layout of the landscape and tactical possibilities16400:10:03,080 --> 00:10:08,120like routes of egress or staging areas that could have been used by the killer.16500:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,060If we are going to find anything, it will probably be over that ridge.16600:10:12,060 --> 00:10:15,040That would be the most likely way for someone to go.16700:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,120But we'll go over the whole area just in case.16800:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,120End quote.16900:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,320The ridge that Lieutenant Nelson is talking about was a grove of trees to the left of17000:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,440the Lin home on Wednesday, June 29th.17100:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,540So it's been over a month since Jenny's murder.17200:10:29,540 --> 00:10:34,760Police announced to the public that they are looking for two vehicles in 1960s, two door17300:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,480Chevy two and a newer pickup.17400:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,120So this would be an early 90s pickup truck that is red in color.17500:10:41,120 --> 00:10:46,520Lieutenant Ted Nelson says, quote, These vehicles were in the Palomari Hills area at the time17600:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,280of the killing and they remain unaccounted for.17700:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,240We'd like very much to know who was in them and what they were doing there.17800:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,240End quote.17900:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,500It's unclear if police ever tracked down the drivers of these vehicles.18000:10:58,500 --> 00:11:01,620And if they do, they never talk about it publicly.18100:11:01,620 --> 00:11:06,680On Thursday, August 11th, it's now been over two months since Jenny's murder.18200:11:06,680 --> 00:11:11,120John Lin commissions an artist to draw a composite sketch of the man who approached18300:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,000him at the BART station.18400:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,560The police did have their own sketch artists create a sketch closer to Jenny's murder,18500:11:17,560 --> 00:11:20,700but the police believe the encounter is unrelated to the murder.18600:11:20,700 --> 00:11:22,880So they never released the sketch to the public.18700:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,920But John Lin believes that they are connected.18800:11:26,920 --> 00:11:31,640Police say that they do not consider this man a suspect, but would like to ID him.18900:11:31,640 --> 00:11:36,960Ultimately, John Lin releases the sketch on his own without the police officially releasing19000:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,000their composite sketch.19100:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,760On Thursday, September 1st, so it's now been over three months since the murder of Jenny19200:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,720Lin, the family has set up the Jenny Lin Foundation with their own tip line to try19300:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,960to solve the case.19400:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,960Police reveal that they believe the killer did break in through the small downstairs19500:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,320window.19600:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,280They believe the killer acted alone and was familiar with the neighborhood and the schedule19700:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,180of the Lin family.19800:12:02,180 --> 00:12:06,320Police also mentioned that they are interested in IDing a man that was seen on the day of19900:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,960the murder walking away from the Lin home carrying a small canvas bag.20000:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,800He was headed towards an athletic field in the neighborhood, but there were no official20100:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,040activities on the field that night.20200:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,760And after this, the case drops out of the media for a while.20300:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,480Again, the case was happening alongside the Nicole Brown Simpson murder and ultimately20400:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,240the OJ Simpson murder trial.20500:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,260The next update comes at the one year mark of Jenny's murder.20600:12:33,260 --> 00:12:38,280Police believe that the murder was a carefully planned and prepared for act.20700:12:38,280 --> 00:12:43,440Police have been working with the FBI profiling team to create a profile of the suspect.20800:12:43,440 --> 00:12:49,040They believe that the killer is a man with well developed social skills and is educated.20900:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,860He would not normally show aggressive or abhorrent behavior.21000:12:52,860 --> 00:12:56,360That the killer would have had legitimate reasons to be in the neighborhood, either21100:12:56,360 --> 00:13:01,480professionally or socially and would not seem out of place at all in the neighborhood.21200:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,480The killer probably took time to learn the Lin family routine and they wouldn't be21300:13:05,480 --> 00:13:11,480surprised if he had a past criminal history of exhibitionism, burglary, and or was a peeping21400:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,000tom.21500:13:13,000 --> 00:13:18,480By the way that Jenny was bound with duct tape, he may also have a history of bondage.21600:13:18,480 --> 00:13:24,120Mary Ellen O'Toole from the FBI Behavioral Science Unit says, quote, most people assume21700:13:24,120 --> 00:13:29,040in a crime as egregious as this that no one they know could do such a thing.21800:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,920The person who did this will appear to others as normal and well adjusted.21900:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,520He will not seem bizarre or like a loner.22000:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,200He has compartmentalized this part of his life.22100:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,600Right after the event, his anxiety was high because of paranoia about what clues he left22200:13:44,600 --> 00:13:45,600behind.22300:13:45,600 --> 00:13:46,600End quote.22400:13:46,600 --> 00:13:51,760Again, while Jenny was not sexually assaulted, they do believe that the crime could be sexually22500:13:51,760 --> 00:13:52,760motivated.22600:13:52,760 --> 00:13:57,960Agent O'Toole says, quote, offenders can enjoy the planning or the interaction with22700:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,840the victim before the crime takes place.22800:14:00,840 --> 00:14:05,600There are pre and post crime encounters with the victim that might be pleasant to him.22900:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,800A year later, he would recall this almost in a dreamlike fashion.23000:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,440He would think back and relive the fantasy.23100:14:12,440 --> 00:14:13,440End quote.23200:14:13,440 --> 00:14:18,160The FBI is reviewing all the evidence collected at the scene and the Jenny in Foundation23300:14:18,160 --> 00:14:23,640has now raised $100,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the23400:14:23,640 --> 00:14:24,980killer.23500:14:24,980 --> 00:14:31,120At the three-year mark in 1997, and what should have been Jenny's 17th birthday, the police23600:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,960and FBI still believe the killer is in the area.23700:14:34,960 --> 00:14:40,120The FBI profiler team add that the killer likely went through behavioral or mood changes23800:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,140in the days leading up to Jenny's murder.23900:14:43,140 --> 00:14:47,760Some stressor in his life, such as losing a job or a relationship.24000:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,960After Jenny's murder, he would have been withdrawn.24100:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,920Police are worried that the killer will strike again.24200:14:53,920 --> 00:14:58,580Over the next two decades, police will name and eliminate several suspects in the murder24300:14:58,580 --> 00:15:00,040of Jenny Lin.24400:15:00,040 --> 00:15:05,040For one time, the prime suspect in the case was a man named Sebastian Shaw, but police24500:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,440were ultimately able to eliminate him.24600:15:08,440 --> 00:15:14,160The last update on the case that I could find actually comes from 2022, when police and24700:15:14,160 --> 00:15:20,060FBI re-examine the evidence from the crime scene with new, more sensitive technology.24800:15:20,060 --> 00:15:24,720Through this re-examination, police are able to develop new leads in the case.24900:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,520Sheriff A. Hearn says, quote, we have a couple of possibilities that we are holding close25000:15:29,520 --> 00:15:30,520to our vest.25100:15:30,520 --> 00:15:37,280We want to make sure we don't disclose too much to a potential suspect, end quote.25200:15:37,280 --> 00:15:42,520And that is the last update that I could find that was really adding information to the25300:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,440Jenny Lin murder.25400:15:44,440 --> 00:15:51,520So if you know anything about the murder of Jenny Lin in May of 1994, please call the25500:15:51,520 --> 00:16:06,400Alameda County Sheriff's Office at 510-667-3622 or the FBI San Francisco office at 415-553-7400.25600:16:06,400 --> 00:16:13,080And the sources for the timeline today come from ABC7, the FBI, the San Francisco Examiner,25700:16:13,080 --> 00:16:18,640the Desert Sun, the Press Democrat, Camarillo Star, North County Times, Oakland Tribune,25800:16:18,640 --> 00:16:24,960the Napa Valley Register, the Sacramento Bee, the Modesto Bee, and the Tribune.25900:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,440So that is the case of Jenny Lin26000:16:28,440 --> 00:16:35,840My first reaction is just really sad for her parents.26100:16:35,840 --> 00:16:43,120You gave us gratefully a lot of information, or not a lot, definitely not enough because26200:16:43,120 --> 00:16:49,320still the ultimate question has yet to be answered.26300:16:49,320 --> 00:16:59,620But in learning quite a bit about her parents in particular, it's just like it's so beautiful26400:16:59,620 --> 00:17:05,320that they've dedicated their lives to finding the answer, you know?26500:17:05,320 --> 00:17:13,960And it's also heartbreaking that it's like what their lives turned into, you know?26600:17:13,960 --> 00:17:21,120My heart just really goes out to them and you can tell that just every part of their26700:17:21,120 --> 00:17:29,920existence seems to have gone into figuring out like who took their beautiful child from26800:17:29,920 --> 00:17:30,920them.26900:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,400Yeah, and I didn't get a chance to mention this during the timeline, but her parents27000:17:35,400 --> 00:17:42,160are very active in, you know, victim advocacy and trying to get answers and legislation27100:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,680passed, you know, for victims' rights, for families of victims.27200:17:46,680 --> 00:17:54,440So what you said sums it up perfectly that their life has really been dedicated to not27300:17:54,440 --> 00:18:00,300only helping solve Jenny's murder, but also helping other families that unfortunately27400:18:00,300 --> 00:18:02,240go through things like this.27500:18:02,240 --> 00:18:14,400Yeah, just to add to that, yes, they're looking to solve their daughter's murder, but also27600:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,880that they are doing it for the community too, you know?27700:18:19,880 --> 00:18:28,960Not immediate community, but like, I don't know, I just think it's beautiful work for27800:18:28,960 --> 00:18:39,320what it is, you know, to do that from that kind of losses, it's incredible.27900:18:39,320 --> 00:18:45,640You know, I think it just takes an incredible amount of strength to do something like that.28000:18:45,640 --> 00:18:50,240I don't know if I have a ton of questions.28100:18:50,240 --> 00:19:00,360Yeah, I guess I want to know more about what you think about the possibilities around finding28200:19:00,360 --> 00:19:01,360an answer.28300:19:01,360 --> 00:19:08,520Yeah, I think this is one of those cases where there's a really good chance that it could28400:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,520be solved in the next few years.28500:19:10,520 --> 00:19:16,780I was really encouraged by the update from 2022, where police and FBI were retesting28600:19:16,780 --> 00:19:20,160the evidence and they seem to get new leads from this.28700:19:20,160 --> 00:19:27,480So I'm guessing that that is some kind of DNA profile that they were able to generate28800:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,780from evidence at the crime scene.28900:19:30,780 --> 00:19:37,880And whether that has led them to, you know, a pool of suspects, or maybe they're going,29000:19:37,880 --> 00:19:44,240you know, kind of through the genealogy of, you know, open DNA databases.29100:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,240I'm not sure.29200:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,240I would love to know.29300:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,000I would be very curious about what they're doing with that information that was generated.29400:19:50,000 --> 00:19:57,200But it does feel like this is a case that has remained pretty active and has been revisited29500:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,400again and again as technology advances.29600:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,920So I think we could really see a resolution in this case in the next few years.29700:20:03,920 --> 00:20:10,240And hopefully the person is still alive and can be held accountable for the crimes that29800:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,680they did.29900:20:12,680 --> 00:20:18,600One thing that kind of kept sticking in my mind as I was researching this case and going30000:20:18,600 --> 00:20:26,500through the old newspaper articles, I just, I know that the police believe that it was30100:20:26,500 --> 00:20:32,680a man because of how quickly Jenny was overpowered.30200:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,120And I do think that's correct.30300:20:36,120 --> 00:20:42,000But I also just kept coming back to like, could this have been a woman who removed the30400:20:42,000 --> 00:20:47,120clothes as almost like a distraction to like point towards a man?30500:20:47,120 --> 00:20:50,840Like that's just one thing that I kept kind of coming back and back to again that just30600:20:50,840 --> 00:20:55,080kind of started eating at my brain a little bit was, could this have been a woman that30700:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,560did this?30800:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,400Because somebody snuck in through a pretty small downstairs window.30900:21:00,400 --> 00:21:05,360So I just am curious about that.31000:21:05,360 --> 00:21:08,660But again, that's just me kind of speculating.31100:21:08,660 --> 00:21:12,680But it's a thought that I kept having cross my mind again and again.31200:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,520So you know, if I got to sit down and look at the police file and just review everything31300:21:17,520 --> 00:21:23,040and talk with investigators, that's one thing that I would just want to ask them about in31400:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,320a little bit more detail.31500:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,160Like could a woman have done this?31600:21:28,160 --> 00:21:33,040You know, Lieutenant Ted Nelson talks about putting blinders on that the police couldn't31700:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,480afford to do this because it was very cold and calculated.31800:21:36,480 --> 00:21:44,800So to me, I just I want to consider everything in this case because it is so egregious that31900:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,760it's like everything has to be considered until it can absolutely be eliminated.32000:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,680And you know, it is possible to do that through DNA.32100:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,200So maybe the DNA they have developed does show something like that to where they are32200:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,280able to eliminate a little bit.32300:21:59,280 --> 00:22:06,120It's very strange to think about this suspect that is well educated, would not seem out32400:22:06,120 --> 00:22:11,260of place in the neighborhood, could easily kind of slip in and out that like neighbors,32500:22:11,260 --> 00:22:15,680even after the murder wouldn't be like, oh, this person, this person was in the neighborhood,32600:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,260they would just like write them off very quickly and not even think about it.32700:22:19,260 --> 00:22:26,560So yeah, it's just a horrible case and a calculated case.32800:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,720And it makes me wonder, has this person done anything like this since then?32900:22:31,720 --> 00:22:32,960I don't know.33000:22:32,960 --> 00:22:38,960But it just seems like one of those murders where you probably wouldn't stop at one.33100:22:38,960 --> 00:22:44,200And even the police think that at one point that they're nervous that the suspect will33200:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,200strike again.33300:22:46,200 --> 00:22:53,480I echo you that like it really could until we know just even just a few more details,33400:22:53,480 --> 00:23:04,160it could be a multitude of horrifying storylines, you know, or events.33500:23:04,160 --> 00:23:10,560You know, in this case, the FBI and the police, they created this profile with like very specific33600:23:10,560 --> 00:23:15,160points on who the suspect could be, you know, what happened to him in the days leading up33700:23:15,160 --> 00:23:22,240to the murder, how he was acting afterwards, his mindset, his education level, all of that33800:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,680is out there.33900:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,800Kind of like making this like shadow of a suspect.34000:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,960And it's hard not to like want to fill it in yourself.34100:23:32,960 --> 00:23:40,960But with all this specificity, I almost wonder if police kind of have a suspect in mind,34200:23:40,960 --> 00:23:46,240and they're kind of loosely describing him hoping that more people will call in with34300:23:46,240 --> 00:23:52,560this person's name, or maybe this person will like trip up somehow and talk to somebody34400:23:52,560 --> 00:23:59,520or, you know, kind of revisit the crime scene, drive by it, you know, kind of catch him in34500:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,040that way.34600:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,560So I do wonder if the police do have somebody in mind.34700:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,560And we know over the years they have named other suspects.34800:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,560But I wonder if there's somebody that they haven't named yet that's kind of sitting34900:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,400in their file, just kind of waiting for those pieces to fall into place.35000:24:17,400 --> 00:24:23,120And hopefully with this 2022 update, they do have more DNA, they are able to put those35100:24:23,120 --> 00:24:28,680pieces into place and really finally find the person who did this because they do believe35200:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,320it was one person that that part they seem pretty sure of.35300:24:33,320 --> 00:24:39,200But again, if you know anything about the murder of Jenny Lin, please call the Alameda35400:24:39,200 --> 00:24:51,920County Sheriff's Office at 510-667-3622 or the FBI San Francisco office at 415-553-7400.35500:24:51,920 --> 00:24:57,160And I just want to give a quick shout out we had a new written Apple podcast review,35600:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,240which was so kind, so thoughtful.35700:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,760Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to do that.35800:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,600And if you maybe have a couple extra minutes today before you move on to your next podcast35900:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,640or your next task, if you could just leave us a written review if you're an Apple or36000:25:11,640 --> 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00:26:35,440missing.38000:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,260So please follow us there if you like just taking in true crime and kind of being part38100:26:40,260 --> 00:26:48,520of the advocacy work of cold cases and missing people and specifically cases that need a38200:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,760little bit more attention that haven't gotten the media coverage.38300:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,200But that is all I have.38400:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,000Thanks for listening to cold and missing.38500:26:57,000 --> 00:27:02,640I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin, so Kowski and I'm your co host Eli so Kowski.38600:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,440Have a great week and stay safe y'all.38700:27:04,440 --> 00:27:31,440Stay safe y'all.