Cold and Missing: Dorien Thomas

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Welcome back everyone.

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Welcome back everyone.

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I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-sulkowski.

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And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski.

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And we are the podcast Cold and Missing.

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Where we cover cold cases and unresolved missing person cases.

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And this week we are focusing on a missing persons case.

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Alrighty, let's get started.

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So today I have a missing person case.

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But just as a quick content warning at the top, this case does involve a child and there

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is a brief mention of suicide.

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Today we are covering the missing person case of Dorien Thomas.

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And this case actually comes to us from a listener, Nina, who sent us this story through

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Instagram.

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So thank you, Nina.

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So the case of Dorien Thomas, this takes place in October of 1998 in Amarillo, Texas.

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But first, a little bit about Dorien.

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Dorien is 9 years old in 1998.

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He was born May 6th, 1989 and he would be 33 years old today.

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He was a student at Bivens Elementary School and family and friends said he was known for

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cruising around the neighborhood on his aqua bike with white tires.

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He loved being outdoors and could make friends with anyone.

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He was also known for his gymnastics skills, specifically his back handsprings.

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And now the timeline of events.

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So on October 26th, 1998, the exact circumstances around his disappearance are unknown at this

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time.

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What we do know is that Dorien filled his aqua bike with white tires and the word freestyle

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on the frame.

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He filled his bike tires with air and was headed to a nearby truck stop for a snack.

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According to Lieutenant Gary Trupe, he says, quote, the last time he was seen or known

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of he was going towards the Tootin Totem there at Amarillo Boulevard and Hughes.

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He was going to get a drink and some chips, end quote.

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The Tootin Totem was very close to his house.

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Dorien lived at the 1300 block of Northwest 9th Avenue.

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It would have taken at the most three minutes to bike there.

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Dorien was wearing a red shirt and blue jeans.

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When Dorien didn't come home as night fell, no one was immediately worried.

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Lieutenant Erik Bohannon says, quote, usually he was pretty easy to find.

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He was a pretty well known kid.

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They knew of some of the homes he would go to and some of the neighbors.

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When that didn't prove fruitful, they started realizing that things were not as they should

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be, end quote.

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The next morning, October 27th, Dorien's family reports him missing.

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It's been over 24 hours since he was last seen and the family believed that they had

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to wait those 24 hours until they reported him missing.

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A massive search is launched and I couldn't find the exact dates for events, but over

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the next few weeks, police will canvas the area he was last seen.

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People use bloodhounds and fly over the area, but not a trace of Dorian is found.

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To date, his bicycle has never been recovered.

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On November 10th, 1998, so this is two weeks after Dorien went missing, police, desperate

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for clues, send divers to Martin Road Lake to look for clues.

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Police chief Jerry Neal says at the time, quote, I made the decision based on some of

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the information we've heard about him spending time around there.

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And you just never know, end quote.

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According to Dorien's family, he liked to play there.

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Ultimately, nothing is found and police turn the case over to the Potter Randall Special

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Crimes Unit on November 12th.

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On Friday, November 20th, so this is 25 days since Dorien has been missing, police call

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off all organized searches for Dorian.

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Police chief Jerry Neal says, quote, as far as the organized searches go, we've pretty

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much exhausted all possibilities, end quote.

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But then the next week, November 22nd, police turn their attention to a drifter named Brandon

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He had murdered a nine year old boy in a park bathroom in Oceanside, California on November

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14th.

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The boy was at the park for a family reunion and his aunt was waiting just outside the

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bathroom when Brandon Wilson murdered him.

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Wilson will ultimately confess and be put on death row.

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Police in Amarillo believed that he was in the area when Dorian disappeared.

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Brandon Wilson will die by suicide on death row on November 16th, 2011, leaving his involvement

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in Dorien's disappearance unanswered.

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Police also theorize about events that took place a year before Dorien's disappearance.

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In August of 1997, a year before Dorian disappeared, Dorien is playing with friends at the Hilltop

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Park when they find the body of Gloria Ann Covington.

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She was a sex worker who had been stabbed to death.

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Gloria's friend, Linda Gail Jackson, witnessed the murder and was injured herself in the

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attack.

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Linda said the murder happened inside a light colored pickup truck.

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About a month later, Linda Gail Jackson was also murdered and witnesses reported her also

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getting into a light colored pickup truck.

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In September of 1998, so this is one month before Dorien went missing, a friend of both

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Gloria and Linda was beaten by a white man with red hair, pulled into a ponytail, blue

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eyes and a mustache.

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The victim ran to Dorien's mother's house for help and the assailant followed her there.

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She says the suspect saw Dorien and had threatened to hurt her again.

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The murders and the attack remain unsolved and investigators are unsure if these are

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linked with Dorien's disappearance.

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On January 18, 1999, so back into the timeline of events here, we're in the new year, police

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put up billboards pleading with the public for information surrounding Dorien's disappearance.

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Dorien's mother, Pat Thomas says, quote, I just hope this does something.

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I appreciate what everybody's done, but I just hope this helps, end quote.

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And then the case really goes cold.

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Of course, local media will report the case at anniversaries.

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They'll bring it up, but there's no new clues, no new suspects and no new information about

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what happened to Dorien or even the events surrounding his disappearance.

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In 2008, so this is 10 years since Dorien disappeared, there are still no suspects or

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leads in the case.

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Lieutenant Gary Trupe says, quote, I truly believe it's more of a personal deal, but

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I think there is someone in town who knows what happened to Dorien, has an idea, has

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more than just a rumor.

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They have some ideas.

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They have some names they can put to someone.

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Really, 10 years is long enough to hold back.

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Tell us who it is.

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Everyone needs that closure, end quote.

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In 2015, so this is 17 years since Dorien has been missing, police say that they have

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used dental records and DNA over the years to eliminate bodies found all across the country.

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Lieutenant Erik Bohannon says, quote, everyone seems to presume that something bad happened

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to Dorien, but he still could be alive, end quote.

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At the 20 year anniversary in 2018, police say that they still receive the occasional

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tip about Dorien, but police are able to rule all of them out pretty quickly.

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Lieutenant Bohannon says, quote, the unfortunate thing is that people call us and say they

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saw someone who looks like Dorien in a city.

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They call about little Dorien, and I'm glad everyone is still thinking of him, but he

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would be 28 years old today, end quote.

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In March of 2022, so this is 24 years Dorien has been missing, Dorian's brother, Brandon

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Thomas, starts a petition to get a street in Amarillo named after Dorien.

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Brandon says, quote, just some way to commemorate him, you know, so that his memory lives on,

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because a lot of people here, you know, it affected a lot of people more than I thought,

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end quote.

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Brandon was successful in getting those signatures, so that is something that is in the works

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in Amarillo, the renaming of a street after Dorien.

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But if you know anything about the disappearance of Dorien Thomas in October of 1998, or his

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whereabouts today, please reach out to the Amarillo police at 806-378-3038.

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And the sources for today's podcast come from KFDA Amarillo, NBC News, MyHighPlains.com,

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Fort Worth Star Telegram, the Austin American Statesman, the Facts, the Tyler Courier Times,

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the Marshall News Messenger, and the Amarillo Globe News.

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Okay, so that's the case of Dorien Thomas.

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Do you have any questions about the timeline?

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I don't have any questions about like how he went missing.

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I think I have, well, let me start with just my first thought and I'm sure some questions

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will come from that.

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My, it took, it actually took me a minute to, I guess, like find the red flag, you know,

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or not red flag, but like where as someone who is interested in true crime, I look for

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where something was maybe missed, you know, and as I was listening, I was just listening,

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you know, I, that part of my brain didn't turn on until the police officer, I believe,

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and you can answer me since it's kind of a question, who said it just seems like maybe

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it was like a personal issue and that someone knows like that it was.

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That was Lieutenant Gary Trupe.

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Okay.

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That was my first major red flag because if my kid was missing, I would want any officer

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on the case to be taking it very personally.

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I think that that's like the unique position of leadership that a police officer can have,

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honestly, is like care as personally as if it, like if it's your job and your life's

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work, you would think that that would be the reaction.

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And I just had an issue with that.

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Like it was, at least the way that I perceived it, it just felt like there, I'm an actor,

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so I'm using this, like there were no high stakes around it.

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It's like, well, we're just going to wait until someone tells us because we think that

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that's what it is.

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So you know, and like that didn't sit right with me.

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It's like then you focus all of your energy and dig through who you, if it's a personal

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issue and you don't want to get personal about it, then sift through the information of facts

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that you have about the people who were personally close to this child.

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I agree with you.

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And that's interesting because I didn't necessarily interpret that quote that way.

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I I'm not saying you're wrong.

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I just don't know how else he would mean it.

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I took it as I believe it's more of a personal deal.

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So I took that as somebody who knew him as opposed to like a stranger abduction.

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Okay, so yeah, yeah.

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But I think there, yeah, I think it was more of a personal deal.

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But I think there is someone in town who knows what happened to Dorien.

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So like, you don't don't.

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I think what I'm saying is, if you have a sneaking suspicion, you better, you better

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be sure before you start saying something like that.

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And why does it not come with and we are going to find who you are?

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Sometimes every like, where's the energy, I guess?

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If it's right, if it's right there, and you think it's right there.

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Where are you?

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So those are my questions is like, I get what you're saying, like personal and whatever.

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But like, I don't know, maybe maybe I'm wrong.

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But that I think that's just, that's where I feel like the issue went wrong, like, or

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not the issue.

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That's where I feel maybe an error occurred is again, what we see in a lot of these cases

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is like, it becomes like a careless case over time.

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Yeah, and this quote is coming 10 years after Dorien disappeared.

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But the person who is experiencing like, the loss or the missing person, it doesn't, it

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feels like the first second.

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Every day, every week, month, year.

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So I don't know, I feel like if one of my loved ones was missing, and even 10 years

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later, I heard that on TV or something.

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Maybe it's because like, I'm a pretty hopeful person, like that would swing me in a direction

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for sure.

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Especially if a person in leadership with a lot of power and responsibility is saying

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it.

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You know, so I think that's where that's just like where I happen to be focusing.

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I'm sure other folks listening or, you know, maybe don't see that or disagree with me

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or are seeing it somewhere else.

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But this is my thought process so far.

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And yeah, I mean, it's, it's hard to know that he would be our age, you know?

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Because even though we were in different parts of the world while we were both nine, Dorian

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sounds like a kid that I would have been friends with.

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That I would have ran around with for sure on my bike.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Like it sounds like he tore it up on his bike.

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And I was one of those kids too.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I think anybody who is around that age in 1998 can remember the freedom of just like

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being on your bike and riding around.

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I still like very vividly remember to this day, the first day I had like the training

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wheels came off and I had it.

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And I, I sw it felt like I was going to ride grooves into the cement because I was just

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in the same spot, you know?

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Yeah.

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And to like think about, you know, that that's how he hopefully is still, you know?

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It's like, I don't care that it's been 10 years, get that person like back in the world,

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you know?

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Like that spirit and energy, like everyone deserves to feel like they're riding free

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on their bike every day.

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Yeah.

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And that it was already such a specific quality about him and that the way people were talking

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about him to, to know what it feels like to ride a bike and feel that freedom.

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Like it says a lot about, I think what his spirit was probably like, is probably hopefully

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like.

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Yeah.

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Again, if you know anything about the disappearance of Dorien, what happened in October of 1998

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or his whereabouts today, or the whereabouts of his bicycle, which has never been recovered,

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please call Amarillo police at 806-378-3038.

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Thanks for sharing this with us.

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I mean, as always, it's hard to not find a personal connection to a lot of these people.

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They're people, you know?

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And at the end of the day, we all are and I'm grateful to get his name back out there.

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And thank you again to Nina, who brought this case to our attention.

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And you know, that goes for any listener.

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If there's a case out there that means a lot to you that you grew up near or that you read

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about that you can't get off your mind that you think more people should know about, you

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can message us on Instagram, cold and missing.

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You'll find us right there.

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Or you can email us cold and missing at gmail.com and we'll be in touch.

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Yeah, but this this was great.

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This was, you know, when this case was brought to us, it was immediately important to me

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and was a case that I couldn't stop thinking about.

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So it was necessary to cover on the podcast as quickly as possible to get Dorien's name

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back out there.

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Because we should we should know we should know where he is today or what happened to

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him.

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And we'll be able to answer those answers.

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It's it's been a long time and his family is working to keep his memory alive.

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Hopefully we'll have an update soon once the street is renamed, we'll be able to do a quick

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update.

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We'll have that on our Instagram again, cold and missing.

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You can follow us there.

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And while you're in your podcast app, if you can go ahead and rate and review us if you're

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an Apple podcast or five stars, I'm going to take a second to actually just rate and

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review right now.

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And I wanted to go to this just before you kept going.

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But my wife isn't going to say this for herself.

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But when Ali hears someone's name who is, you know, part of a cold case or a missing case,

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she only has to hear it once and she will never forget that person.

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And so when she says to you, like, please send them, like, I know I'm partial, she's

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because she's my wife, but like, send them here because they these are cases that can

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be held and like held safely.

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And yeah, so that's a little review for you, babe.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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But back to the contacts.

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No, we already did it.

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Um, yeah, you can rate and review us in your podcast app or subscribe.

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You'll never miss an episode that way.

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And that's it.

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That's it.

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That's all I have for this week.

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We'll be back next week with episode 34.

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So have a good week and stay safe, y'all.

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Stay safe, y'all.