Cold and Missing: D’Lisa Kelley

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,780 The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts. 2 00:00:13,780 --> 00:00:18,400 All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,160 Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages. 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,560 Listener discretion is advised. 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,280 I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski. 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,680 And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski. 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,440 And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases. 8 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,960 Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing. 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:38,520 I'm your host, Ali. 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:39,960 And I'm your co-host, Eli. 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,800 Do you just want to go ahead and get into this week's case? 12 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,440 Uh, yeah, I'd love to. 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:52,240 I was out last week, so I'm very happy to be back and to jump back into what we do here. 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:53,900 Let's get into it. 15 00:00:53,900 --> 00:00:56,000 So today I have a cold case. 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,560 We are going to be going over the cold case of D’Lisa Kelly. 17 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:05,280 And this takes place in March of 2014 in Dallas, Texas. 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,240 But first, a little bit about D’Lisa. 19 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,440 D’Lisa is 24 years old in 2014. 20 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:18,120 She was a devoted mother to a young son and was also two months pregnant at this time. 21 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,600 When D’Lisa’s family thinks of her, they think of her laugh. 22 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:26,640 Her mother, Losandra Kelley, says, quote, that laugh, she had a laugh that would grab you 23 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,760 from across the street, end quote. 24 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,860 And now a timeline of events. 25 00:01:32,860 --> 00:01:39,520 On Friday, March 7th, 2014, D’Lisa is last seen at her grandmother's house. 26 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,560 She was getting ready to go to her best friend's wake. 27 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,120 Her best friend had recently passed away from a car accident. 28 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,080 D’Lisa planned on taking the bus there. 29 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:55,780 She was wearing a black long sleeve dress, leopard tights or leggings, and a denim vest. 30 00:01:55,780 --> 00:01:59,020 She had her long black hair pulled into a bun. 31 00:01:59,020 --> 00:02:04,840 She leaves her grandmother's house between 430 and 530, both times have been reported. 32 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:11,360 At around 613 PM, D’Lisa will be caught on surveillance footage at a convenience store. 33 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:17,160 She'll be seen exiting the store and getting into a 1986 Mercury Grand Marquis. 34 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:23,280 At 645, just around a half hour after she was last seen on that surveillance footage, 35 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:28,280 D’Lisa’s sister, Jasmine, gets a phone call from D’Lisa’s phone. 36 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,280 Jasmine described it like a pocket dial. 37 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,920 And Jasmine hears a fight in the background. 38 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:38,320 Jasmine heard D’Lisa screaming, stop, stop, get off of me. 39 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,040 Jasmine also heard a man say, shut up, stop screaming. 40 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,520 You want to be hardheaded? 41 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,760 The call lasts for one minute and 11 seconds. 42 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,760 Jasmine is horrified by what she's hearing. 43 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,040 When the phone call disconnects, Jasmine tries to call her sister back, but she can't get 44 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:55,240 through. 45 00:02:55,240 --> 00:03:01,560 At 7 PM, 15 minutes after that phone call, Jasmine gets a text from D’Lisa’s phone that 46 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,000 says, quote, call you in a minute, end quote. 47 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,960 But D’Lisa never calls. 48 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,840 When Jasmine texts D’Lisa back asking what was wrong and if someone was hitting her, 49 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:17,360 D’Lisa responds back that he, quote unquote, thought she was with someone else. 50 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:23,440 Jasmine contacts her grandmother, who makes the decision to call 911 at 838 PM to report 51 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:24,760 D’Lisa missing. 52 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:30,080 D’Lisa grandmother, Marjorita, can be heard on the 911 call saying, quote, she was 53 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,560 screaming for her life, someone was beating her and we don't know who was with her, end 54 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:35,560 quote. 55 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,800 The 911 dispatcher takes the call and contacts the police sergeant asking if a missing person 56 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,000 report should be filed. 57 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:48,000 Sergeant Mansell is a bit hesitant and can be heard laughing on the police channel about 58 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,000 D’Lisa. 59 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,480 He'll later face disciplinary action for the way he responded. 60 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:57,800 The 911 dispatcher calls D’Lisa’s grandmother and asks for D’Lisa’s phone number and says 61 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:02,800 that they'll try to use that to contact her and find her location by pinging it. 62 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:07,280 By 8 51 PM, the police sergeant is on the phone with the cell phone company. 63 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,560 He requests a phone location. 64 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:14,080 In a few minutes, however, the cell phone provider alerts him that there is no location 65 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,600 data available. 66 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,520 So this means either the phone is turned off or it has run out of battery. 67 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,480 Police request that the cell phone company continue to try to locate the phone. 68 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:29,280 However, at this time, there's no official missing person report filed for D’Lisa. 69 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:34,500 The next day, Jasmine calls 911 herself and the responding officer completes a want to 70 00:04:34,500 --> 00:04:35,840 locate report. 71 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:37,920 So still not a missing person report. 72 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:42,120 Her family spends all day trying to contact her, but her phone is turned off. 73 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:47,560 D’Lisa’s boyfriend contacts the police and passes along his information that evening. 74 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,960 It takes until Sunday, March 9. 75 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,880 D’Lisa has been missing for two days at this point. 76 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,880 And finally, a detective is assigned to the case and the case is assigned to the missing 77 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,120 person unit. 78 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:04,280 D’Lisa’s family come down to the police station to answer questions and express concern 79 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:07,880 that they haven't been able to reach her and that her phone is turned off. 80 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,740 They tell police that D’Lisa has a two year old child and it is very uncharacteristic 81 00:05:12,740 --> 00:05:17,560 of her to leave him for an extended period of time, especially without telling the family 82 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,080 where she's going. 83 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,560 Police create a bulletin to send out to other patrol officers to be on the lookout. 84 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,480 Police get the phone log from D’Lisa’s phone from the day that she went missing, but they're 85 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,540 still unable to determine her location. 86 00:05:30,540 --> 00:05:35,820 Police also connect with D’Lisa’s boyfriend that day, but police say that no new information 87 00:05:35,820 --> 00:05:38,720 was generated from that conversation. 88 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,800 Police call hospitals and morgues to see if there's anyone matching her description, 89 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,700 but nobody had a match. 90 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:49,920 On Monday, March 10, with no new leads, a detective visits D’Lisa’s grandmother and 91 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:55,600 patrol officers canvas the area looking for any possible leads, but police don't find 92 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,640 anything related to D’Lisa. 93 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,020 Investigators have no leads in this case. 94 00:06:01,020 --> 00:06:05,200 Police reach out to Transit Police to see if D’Lisa could have boarded a bus, but there's 95 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,800 no records of her getting on a bus. 96 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,740 Police ask for the public's help in searching for D’Lisa and if anyone has any information 97 00:06:11,740 --> 00:06:13,560 to come forward. 98 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:18,080 Detectives also request a copy of her best friend's sign-in book from The Wake to see 99 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:23,240 if D’Lisa ever made it to the funeral home, but according to witnesses at The Wake, she 100 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,140 never made it there. 101 00:06:25,140 --> 00:06:30,600 The next day, Tuesday, March 11, D’Lisa’s been missing for four days. 102 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,840 Police hold another press conference asking for the public's help for any information 103 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:36,560 about D’Lisa. 104 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:41,480 Police interview D’Lisa’s family again, but this doesn't generate any new leads in the 105 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:42,680 case. 106 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,560 Police talk to friends of D’Lisa’s, but they also have no idea where D’Lisa could be. 107 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,800 Police also reach out to local fire departments to see if any of them had had a run-in with 108 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:57,640 D’Lisa in the past few days, but nobody has had any encounters like that. 109 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,680 After the press conference, the next day, Wednesday, March 12, there's a windfall of 110 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,560 tips from the community. 111 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,440 Several people call in saying that they saw D’Lisa in the Market Center Drive in Oak Lawn 112 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,920 Avenue area in Dallas. 113 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:17,520 Investigators swarm the area to canvas businesses, restaurants, hotels, and a nearby Greyhound 114 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,800 Terminal to see if they can find D’Lisa. 115 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:26,040 One business owner says that she saw D’Lisa in her store yesterday morning. 116 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,280 That evening, an anonymous call comes into the tip line saying that D’Lisa was at the 117 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:36,920 Stop and Save store on the corner of Sunnyvale and Overtown Road between 530 and 6pm the 118 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,680 day that she disappeared. 119 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,520 The next day, D’Lisa has been missing for six days now. 120 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:47,160 On Thursday, March 13, another anonymous call comes into the police tip line. 121 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,920 Again, the caller says that D’Lisa was at the Stop and Save the day she disappeared. 122 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,800 This time, the caller says it was around 630. 123 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:59,400 Police try to get security footage from the store, but they say they're unable to retrieve 124 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:00,400 it. 125 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:05,800 However, local media outlets do confirm that there is surveillance footage of her at the 126 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,560 Stop and Save, which I mentioned earlier. 127 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,760 So there is footage of her at the Stop and Save, entering the store and then exiting 128 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,600 the store on the day that she disappears. 129 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:21,360 On Friday, March 14, 2014, D’Lisa has been missing for one week. 130 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:27,660 At around 1030am, a South Central Patrol officer notified the missing person unit that a body 131 00:08:27,660 --> 00:08:30,680 had been located on Presidio Avenue. 132 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,760 When detectives arrive to the scene, they find an abandoned house and on the front porch 133 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,200 is the body of D’Lisa Kelley. 134 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:43,960 She is located only six minutes away from where she was last seen on surveillance footage. 135 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:49,360 Police are able to positively ID her and homicide detectives take the case over. 136 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:54,840 D’Lisa had been severely beaten, strangled, her jaw was crushed, and she had wounds all 137 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,920 over her face and head. 138 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:01,320 Immediately, D’Lisa’s family and friends are critical of the police. 139 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,800 They believe that more should have been done the night they called 911 since they had reason 140 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,680 to believe that D’Lisa was in distress. 141 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:13,040 Police defend their work and release a detailed minute-by-minute account of the work that 142 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,640 they've done on the case starting at the 911 call, which is where a lot of the timeline 143 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,680 has come from. 144 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:24,440 The family will stay in the news as they continue to criticize the police and they do bring 145 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:29,160 a lawsuit against the police as well for the way that they responded. 146 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:34,240 But really, the family begins to lobby for something called the Kelley Alert, which would 147 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:40,560 be an adult alert in the state of Texas if there's reason to believe that there is distress 148 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:41,560 for an adult. 149 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:46,120 So it kind of bridges the gap between Amber Alert and Silver Alerts. 150 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,400 It would be the Kelley Alert. 151 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:53,000 So that is really when the family is in the news a lot over the next few years. 152 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:59,280 But as far as updates to D’Lisa’s case, in March of 2017, so it's been three years since 153 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,480 D’Lisa was murdered, and police have exhausted every lead. 154 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:08,200 Police do confirm that they have talked to the driver of the Grand Marquis, the car that 155 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:13,680 D’Lisa is seen getting into minutes before her sister will get the phone call of D’Lisa, 156 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:16,400 but the driver is never named as a suspect. 157 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,800 D’Lisa’s mother, Lissandra, says, quote, we're going to get justice. 158 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:21,960 We're going to find you. 159 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,320 You can't hide forever, and we will get justice. 160 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,440 My grandson will get justice, end quote. 161 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:36,640 In 2019, after lots of work by D’Lisa’s family between lobbying and talking with legislators, 162 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,640 the Kelley Alert is created and is currently active in the state of Texas. 163 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,160 It was signed into law. 164 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,760 D’Lisa’s family felt that the police's response was weak and hopes that by creating 165 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,300 the Kelley Alert, police will respond quicker in the future. 166 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:55,800 But as far as D’Lisa’s case goes, there's been no updates. 167 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:02,320 So with that, if you know anything about the murder of D’Lisa Kelley in March of 2014, please 168 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:09,040 call the Dallas Police Homicide Unit at 214-671-3632. 169 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:15,320 And the sources for the timeline today come from the Dallas Morning News, WFAA 8, NBC 170 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:21,480 5, DFW, KDAF, and the Kelley Alert Foundation. 171 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,160 So that is the case of D’Lisa Kelley. 172 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:33,600 This is one of those cases where I was pretty furious throughout after hearing the initial 173 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:39,320 reception from law enforcement and how her case was handled. 174 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,620 All I kept thinking is, we really can't get that moment back. 175 00:11:43,620 --> 00:11:47,680 That was that man's response at the time, which was to laugh. 176 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:50,320 It was frightening, honestly. 177 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:57,840 And I don't understand how someone who would have that kind of response makes it that high 178 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:58,840 up. 179 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,920 Like, that's how I was feeling. 180 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,640 Like, this woman was failed. 181 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:05,640 So deeply failed. 182 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,640 And it's heartbreaking. 183 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:17,000 Yeah, I think this case really demonstrates how important those first 24 hours are surrounding 184 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,020 somebody going missing. 185 00:12:20,020 --> 00:12:27,920 Even though the sergeant had a really gross reaction to D’Lisa being missing, a really 186 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:33,120 inappropriate reaction, there was still movement on her case. 187 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,520 It just wasn't the right movement. 188 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,440 You know, like they attempt to ping her cell phone, but they don't really start on the 189 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:45,760 case until she's been missing for around 72 hours. 190 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,600 And by that time, it was just too late. 191 00:12:50,600 --> 00:13:00,040 I think anyone who is interested in true crime and solving true crimes knows, like how you 192 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:07,640 said, how important the first 24 hours are, especially in the case of an adult. 193 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:15,320 I think it doesn't move as quick when it isn't a child, first and foremost. 194 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:25,240 And I am very glad that her family continued to speak out about how they felt the investigation 195 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:32,920 was going, how it went, how it continued to go, and that they did what I would name a 196 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,640 positive with this terrible loss. 197 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,880 And that's the Kelley Alert. 198 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,600 I'm glad that that was something that was signed into law. 199 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,960 I was very happy to hear that when you said that. 200 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:53,000 Yeah, I thought that was a really incredible way to like honor D’Lisa and to help others 201 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,400 like in her name in the future. 202 00:13:55,400 --> 00:14:00,960 Yeah, if there's reason to believe that an adult is under distress, you shouldn't have 203 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:08,480 to wait 42, 72 hours, whatever that jurisdiction's time length is for a missing adult. 204 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,520 Like if there's good reason to believe that something bad is happening to them, like there 205 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,840 was in D’Lisa’s case, then yeah, we should be looking for them right away. 206 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:25,240 I don't understand how when they had a phone call of her clearly in trouble with her sister 207 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:31,680 to corroborate the phone call, how it moved in the wrong direction. 208 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:40,240 I'm curious what some of your thoughts are on maybe who that person was with her, the 209 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:47,040 car, why it was rolled out, if there's any more information about who that person was. 210 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:52,960 Yeah, that's one of the areas that I have just questions around because I can't fill 211 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,680 in the blanks of the story until I kind of know everything. 212 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:01,040 And knowing who she got in the car with and what that car ride entailed, because that 213 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:06,600 was only about a half hour before the phone call comes through to her sister. 214 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:11,600 That was like a pocket dial according to her sister Jasmine. 215 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,600 So what happened in that half hour? 216 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,080 Police did find the driver of that car, but they're kind of, it's kind of interesting 217 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,080 how they worded it. 218 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,800 It was never like he was ruled out or they were ruled out, but they weren't included 219 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,300 as a suspect either. 220 00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:30,680 So I don't know if there's just not enough information there. 221 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:37,080 So I would be curious if that person driving the car doesn't know more than it's like, 222 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:44,160 well, where did he or they or she I don't know the driver of the car. 223 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:45,960 Where did they get dropped off then? 224 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,740 Where did D’Lisa get dropped off? 225 00:15:48,740 --> 00:15:50,320 What happened during that car ride? 226 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:51,320 Did somebody call? 227 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:52,480 Did somebody else pick her up? 228 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,620 So lots of questions around that. 229 00:15:55,620 --> 00:16:02,680 I'm not sure if you would have the answer to this, but do you know if just, you know, 230 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:10,120 say for example, if we filed a FOIA request for this case, would we be able to have access 231 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,920 to a bit more information? 232 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:20,240 Or if it's a cold case, that means it's open or active. 233 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,720 Do we do you not get access to that? 234 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,760 Or is information usually redacted? 235 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,040 Or I guess that's more of a detailed question. 236 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,880 Lots of questions within that question. 237 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,720 But I figured you would be the person to know, my love. 238 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:45,980 Likely if we did a FOIA or Freedom of Information Act request, because this case is not solved, 239 00:16:45,980 --> 00:16:50,680 it is technically open, even if it's not active. 240 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:58,240 So more than likely, we would not get any files in this case. 241 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,480 The police would just deny it, citing that it's an open investigation. 242 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:07,720 And if we were to get anything, it would be heavily redacted to the point where names 243 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:14,440 would have been removed, details, like it would just be like a lot of Sharpie on a piece 244 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:15,800 of paper, essentially. 245 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:23,320 So there have been instances of people getting access to case files, like Michelle McNamara 246 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,360 in I'll Be Gone in the Dark when she was writing and researching that book. 247 00:17:27,360 --> 00:17:31,520 In that case, she got access to case files. 248 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:37,240 But it's pretty rare and few and far between when that happens. 249 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,760 I guess another question I would have that would kind of tie into my future hopes for 250 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:47,440 the case is just what evidence were they able to collect? 251 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,660 You know, it happened in 2014. 252 00:17:49,660 --> 00:17:53,920 So were they able to gather any DNA evidence? 253 00:17:53,920 --> 00:18:01,120 Is there anything that could be tested now that maybe they weren't able to test then 254 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:02,960 through advances in technology? 255 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:09,780 So that's one thing that has never really been spoken about is what evidence the police 256 00:18:09,780 --> 00:18:11,320 do have. 257 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:16,720 So my hope would be that there is some kind of DNA evidence that at some point, they would 258 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:22,440 be able to match against somebody that you know, that would be my hope, but truly don't 259 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,320 know if that is the case with D’Lisa. 260 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:38,840 Yeah, of the more intense and disturbing and very sad details of the case, it seemed like 261 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,440 her body was in quite a state. 262 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:54,120 So if that person wasn't wearing, you know, gloves, I imagine there was a lot of evidence. 263 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:57,840 I echo what you said. 264 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:04,280 I'm curious to know the details of that because it seems like there could be a lot of answers 265 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,280 there. 266 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:11,800 Absolutely, and you know, we really don't know a whole bunch about the crime scene itself. 267 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,640 We know it was an abandoned house and she was found on the porch. 268 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:20,920 But, you know, we don't know if that is the site where police think that the murder took 269 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:21,920 place. 270 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,000 We don't know if she was just dumped there. 271 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:29,120 We don't even really know what day police believe that she died. 272 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:34,280 If she died the day she disappeared, or if it was a few days after that information is 273 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,720 never really given. 274 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,800 Reading between the lines of like what the family is saying and their reactions over 275 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:45,360 the years, it does seem like she was probably killed the day she disappeared. 276 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:52,760 But yeah, there's just still so much unknown to us that I hope is known to investigators 277 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:59,840 because it feels like, you know, just some DNA that they're able to test against people 278 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,180 will be huge. 279 00:20:02,180 --> 00:20:04,960 You know, fibers could be huge. 280 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,960 So yeah, I just really hope they have it. 281 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:13,760 I hope that the Lisa's case is continually worked until it is solved. 282 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:21,960 I hope today and with our listeners now that you all as as active as you are able to be 283 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:29,680 even just, you know, looking up to Lisa, like, of course, you know, we'd love for you to 284 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:36,840 listen and share and tell people to listen to this episode to amplify her name, but movement 285 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,840 can continue outside of this podcast too. 286 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:44,880 And you know, ultimately, like we say pretty much every episode, that's what our end goal 287 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:55,400 is here to amplify these names and voices of people who are lost, lost in so much red 288 00:20:55,400 --> 00:21:00,200 tape a lot of the time, or just forgotten about. 289 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:07,320 So really, you know, today, if you after listening to this, if you are, you know, continue to 290 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:14,200 think about her, I encourage you to, you know, plug her name into Google and see what you 291 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:20,400 can find out even if it's more than what we can do here. 292 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:27,360 I say we but it's Ali who does this investigative research, and she does an incredible job. 293 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:35,680 But she loves learning more to continue to do what our goal is for the podcast. 294 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,160 So other people looking is is great. 295 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:44,960 More eyes on on the person in these cases is is what we want. 296 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:50,880 And again, if you know anything about the murder of D’Lisa Kelley in March of 2014, please 297 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:57,720 call the Dallas police homicide unit at 214-671-3632. 298 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,680 And you know, just as Eli was saying, another way that you can lift up these voices, lift 299 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:08,800 up these stories is by rating and reviewing this podcast by leaving a written review and 300 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:13,220 Apple podcasts, it really helps others find our podcast, find these stories, find these 301 00:22:13,220 --> 00:22:19,000 cases so please if you have a minute, we would appreciate it so much. 302 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,400 Also following us on Instagram, sharing our graphics that are made over there, of course, 303 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,720 we'll be sharing photos of D’Lisa this week. 304 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:31,020 So if you're not following us, you can find us at cold and missing will pop right up. 305 00:22:31,020 --> 00:22:33,320 And of course, our website as well. 306 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:41,500 We have transcripts of all the episodes www.coldandmissing.com so you can find those over there. 307 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:43,400 And we're also on YouTube. 308 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,740 If you want to subscribe and listen to us over there, you can find us there and we have 309 00:22:47,740 --> 00:22:50,480 wonderful conversations in the comment section. 310 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:57,880 So lots of ways to interact lots of ways to get the algorithm talking about D’Lisa. 311 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,600 Thank you again so much for listening to cold and missing. 312 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,080 I'm your host, Ali. 313 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,820 And I'm your co host, Eli. 314 00:23:03,820 --> 00:23:05,640 Have a good week and stay safe, y'all. 315 00:23:05,640 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