Cold and Missing: Delphi Update

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B-b-b-b-bonus episode.

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Bonus episode.

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Yeah.

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It feels like we were just here, huh, honey?

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We were.

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We got the whole family in the podcast today.

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I'm sure you can hear our dogs scratching and yawning.

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Yawning.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yawning like they pay rent.

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Oh, perfectly on cue.

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Just a quick episode.

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We just brought you the episode on Kimmy Yohe.

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So please listen to that if you have not.

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So we just tuned in to the Delphi press conference where the Indiana State Police, the Carroll

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County Sheriff, and the Carroll County Prosecutor all spoke and gave updates.

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So just a little spoiler alert right off the top.

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Not a lot was given, no new details surrounding this case, but I think there were some important

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things spoken about that I just want to briefly go over and give you guys an update since

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we promised one.

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First up, the Indiana State Police Superintendent, Doug Carter, who has been on the case since

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the beginning, he spoke first and he said that, quote, today was not a day to celebrate,

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but this is a day for remembering Abby and Libby.

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It's kind of interesting that they said that and pretty much the whole time they were just

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like congratulating the police officers who like did their jobs.

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That's...

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Is that usually what a press conference is where they're just like, hey, these cops did

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what they were supposed to?

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I was expecting a lot of that here.

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A lot of thanking of local police, state police, and federal police.

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So that was a lot of the press conference was just them thanking everybody who had been

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involved.

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This is the one part of like where I've always have been super interested in true crime and

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following investigations, but this is like one area where I've just never really paid

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attention to, like the press conferences and stuff.

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Yeah.

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So it was a lot of just like jargon to me.

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Yeah.

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It was interesting to watch.

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So Doug Carter announced that Richard Allen has been arrested.

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He is at this time charged with two counts of murder.

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No additional charges at this time, but the main thing that I got out of this press conference

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is that they are still investigating.

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So it seems like the police do not think that this is all wrapped up with a bow.

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What I was gathering is that they think that there was definitely another person involved.

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Yes.

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And I do too.

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I think it's probably, even if it's two smaller people that you are murdering, I would imagine

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it's hard to kill two people at one time.

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Yeah.

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And I said that in our episode about Abby and Libby.

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Yeah.

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So Doug Carter, he said that if any other person or persons are involved in this, they

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will be held accountable, which I thought was interesting.

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So it does leave open the possibility of more than two people involved.

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Yeah.

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He asked that everyone continue to report tips.

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And then the Carroll County Sheriff, Tom Lezobey, I think that's how you say his last name.

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He got up and really just thanked investigators and that was it.

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He did not speak that long at all.

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And then finally the Carroll County Prosecutor got up and his name is Nicholas McCleland.

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And again, no real details here.

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The arrest warrant has been sealed at this time and the probable cause and charging evidence

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that is all still sealed.

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And there will be a public hearing to see if it will remain sealed.

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Obviously news agencies have filed an appeal because this is typically public information.

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And they even said in the press conference that it is not typical and this is unusual

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for them not to give the booking evidence, what the probable cause was that led the judge

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to sign off on the arrest warrant.

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Correct.

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If Richard Allen pleads guilty, there won't be a, like a, can you help me with the word?

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Trial?

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Yeah.

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Right.

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So right now he has entered a not guilty plea, but that could change.

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And it all really depends on what the prosecutor wants to do and what the state wants to do

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because Indiana is a death penalty state.

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The death penalty potentially could be on the table.

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And if that's the case, trials have to go forward.

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But again, that's really premature.

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They haven't spoken anything about that.

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So as of right now, he hasn't, he's entered a not guilty plea.

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So this sick fuck just hiding in plain sight.

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Well he is innocent until proven guilty.

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Look at Adan Syed, right?

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He just got out for 23 years in jail.

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So innocent until proven guilty, we don't have any of the evidence to say, but like,

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yeah, if he did this, he's been hiding in plain sight the entire time.

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Potentially there is some pretrial that would be happening in January, I believe.

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And then March 20th could be the official start of the trial.

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And then the press conference went into questions from reporters and there were some really

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great questions.

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It was pretty difficult to hear.

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Yeah, they were so quiet.

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They didn't even like pass around a mic for them.

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No, I mean, they're sitting in a Methodist church like in town.

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So it's not, you know, equipped with maybe a PA system.

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Like it's pretty small.

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It's a small community.

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And yeah, the police do not repeat the question before they answer it.

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So it makes it very difficult to know what they are responding to.

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But I was able to hear some of it.

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So again, we didn't get any information.

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Reporters asked, when did Richard Allen become a suspect?

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They didn't want to give out any of that.

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They asked, was it investigation?

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Was it a tip?

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What brought him onto the radar?

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They didn't give that away.

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They asked what it was like telling the families.

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And Doug Carter said it was very sad and humbling.

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And there was a question about if anyone else was involved.

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And they said that the tip line is going to remain open and the email line is going to

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remain open.

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Yeah, they, somebody asked to explain the decision to keep the documents sealed.

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And the prosecutor basically said it's because the case is still open and they are still

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investigating it.

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So they don't, they don't want to compromise any of their investigation by getting information

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out there.

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If they want to keep the trial in Carroll County, they probably don't want to taint

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the jury pool because it is such a small community that getting too much information into the

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public could potentially hurt jury selection.

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Don't they have to go outside to like a differing community that is like very similar to their

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own, but it has to be outside of that because of, oh, I can't remember what I was just listening

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to with another case like that.

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They don't have to, but I think a good defense attorney will request that it be moved to

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a different County because Richard Allen.

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Yeah.

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Because it is such a small community and this became a national case.

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Well, yeah.

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And he said like around the world, like people know these like poor young folks who were

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murdered.

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And I think this brought up some interesting points.

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I think we actually learn more if we go back knowing that somebody has been arrested, if

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we go back to their, some of the original press conferences.

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So I found my notes actually from the February 22nd, 2017 press conference.

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So this would have been just days following their murder.

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And this was at the press conference where they released audio, the guys down the hill,

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audio that was released.

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And this is specifically coming from the question and answer portion during that time.

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But a reporter asked something along the lines of having more audio or more visual of the

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suspects and the police answered.

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They're not saying the man in the photo is also the man in the audio.

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There could be more than one person involved, but it could be him.

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And then somebody asked that is the man on the bridge, that infamous bridge photo, is

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he the main suspect or a suspect amongst many?

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And the police said, the police can't say for sure because they weren't there.

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The picture came from her phone and the audio came from her phone, but we don't know what

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was behind the girls or outside of frame.

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They're not saying at this time how many are expected to be involved.

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That's terrifying.

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No.

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Oh, I hate thinking about that.

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That they were surrounded by more than...

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I'm sorry.

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Again, learning things in real time with everyone else here.

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And then somebody asked, because this was also the time where they said that this man

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on the bridge is the main suspect at this press conference.

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And somebody asked, how did you determine he was the main suspect?

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And the answer is the reason is based on the total evidence that he at least participated

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in the murder.

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And then again, in 2017, police don't believe that this is tied to any other murders.

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And at this time, Richard Allen, I have not been able to find any other previous arrest

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records for him or anything like that.

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So yeah, we are learning.

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There will be more press conferences and information coming out.

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But yeah, we plan to continue to update you throughout the trial because that's what we

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want to do.

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And once we have a guilty verdict, then the case is solved.

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I mean, Abby and Libby changed my life.

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I mean, they really have been a motivation for me to start this podcast.

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Their case has been something that's been on my mind for almost six years.

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So yeah, they've become part of my daily life.

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And so we just want to make sure that the correct justice is done in this case, that

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the correct people are held responsible, and that everybody involved is held responsible.

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Because Libby was so quick to pull out her phone and begin recording.

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She's basically handed investigators a golden ticket and every person deserves justice,

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but Libby deserves...

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They bought, yeah.

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Yeah, they deserve justice for this heroic last action that they had to help investigators.

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They really deserve to see it.

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Yeah, it's so interesting placing the word heroic in front of something that you should

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never have to do.

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I guess that's why it's heroic.

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I mean, nobody knows how they're going to react in that situation.

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You can think a hundred different ways, but she had the presence of mind to say, like,

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let me get this guy.

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Let me get this motherfucker.

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So got him.

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Got you, girl.

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We got you, girl.

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Got you, girl.

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Snatched.

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Yeah.

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Snatched off the street.

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Snatched.

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That...

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I know you said innocent until proven guilty, but I saw that dang old mugshot and I was

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like...

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It looks a lot like that first sketch that police released.

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It really does.

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It looks like someone...

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It looks like the men who have always terrified me.

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I know that's maybe a little generalized, but it's true.

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He looks like the men that we were taught to fear.

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But at the same time, he also looks like...

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I just think a dad.

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A bunch of people's dads, I know.

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Especially having lived in that area, I'm like...

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Yeah, but think about how many friends' dads you were afraid of also.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Just looks like a fucking middle-aged, Midwest white dude with the creepiest eyes.

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So yeah, we...

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We're just talking shit.

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Yeah, we're just talking shit about him.

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But yeah, just a quick little bonus episode for y'all.

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Happy Halloween.

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Christmas is coming out on Halloween.

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Please, please, please be safe.

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Be safe tonight.

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If you're going out trick or treating, make sure all your little ones are close by you

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because more kids get hit by cars on Halloween than any other day of the year.

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So that is the real danger tonight.

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You're participating in legal recreational activities.

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Make sure you have a safe ride home.

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Have a buddy system.

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And go ahead and take your jacket because it's going to be cold.

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I know it doesn't go with the costume.

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It's not on theme.

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Also, we promise you nothing good happens after 2 a.m.

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Oh my God, no.

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Go home, girl.

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On a Monday?

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Go home.

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Bye.

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Nothing good is happening, I promise.

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Okay y'all.

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That's all we have for you now.

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Have a great rest of your week.