Cold and Missing: Danyel Sparpana

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-Sulkowski. And I'm your co -host, Eli Sulkowski.

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right. We are in a missing person case this week

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and this is episode 145. Let's get into it. Let's

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do it. So just as a bit of a content warning

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at the top, this case does involve a young person

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and there are some brief mentions of sexual assault.

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Today, We are talking about the missing person

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case of Danyel Sparpana, and this takes place

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in West Sacramento, California in November of

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1985. But first, a little bit about Danyel.

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Danyel is three years old in 1985. She's living

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in West Sacramento, California with her mother,

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Cynthia. They have a cozy and clean home on the

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1900 block of Manzanita Way. a quiet neighborhood

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where everyone knew everybody else. Danyel

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was born on June 23rd of 1982, so she was just

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three years old before she disappeared. Danyel

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was small, about three foot tall and weighing

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around 40 pounds. She had curly blonde hair,

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a dimple on her chin, and a birthmark on her

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left knee. Her ears were pierced and she still

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sucked her thumb at this time. But what people

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remember most is how bright she was. Neighbors

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said Danyel could carry on a full conversation

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with anyone who stopped by. If you passed their

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home, she might tell you about her swing or a

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new toy she was proud of, or she might ask you

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where you'd been and where you were going next.

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Even at three years old, she was described as

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curious, articulate, and full of life. Her mother

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is 27 -year -old Cynthia Sparpana. She was a

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stay -at -home mom. She was receiving social

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security due to back problems, but she was known

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in her neighborhood for keeping a tidy, cheerful

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home. Inside of their house were signs of love

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and care. Cynthia had supplies laid out to make

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their own Christmas ornaments for the upcoming

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holiday season. And now, a timeline of events.

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Thursday, October 31st, 1985. That year, Halloween

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fell on a Thursday. It was also Cynthia's birthday,

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and she decided to celebrate with friends and

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neighbors a combined Halloween and birthday party

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at her home. People remembered laughter and music.

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For many of them, that evening would be the last

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time they ever saw Cynthia alive. The following

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night, so this is Friday, November 1st, Cynthia

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spoke on the phone with her friend Sylvia around

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9 p .m. The two chatted casually until Cynthia

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said she needed to go, but she promised to call

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Sylvia back later that night. However, Cynthia

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never calls. The next day, Saturday, November

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2nd, Sylvia tried calling on Saturday morning

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and then later again that evening, but Cynthia

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still didn't answer any of the calls. She tried

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several more times throughout the weekend, but

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the phone just rang and rang. Tim, reported seeing

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little Danyel playing in the front yard. He

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told police he had, quote, no doubt that it was

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her. Quote, she was playing with a ball and I

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waved at her. There's no doubt in my mind it

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was her. However, during this period, no one

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is able to get a hold of Cynthia. Her friends

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are calling, her family is calling, and still

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the calls go unanswered. Again on Monday, November

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4th, Another neighbor reported seeing Danyel.

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Neighbor Marie, who lived about 10 houses away,

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said, Danyel was standing in front of her house

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when I drove by about 3 p .m. on Monday. I believe

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it was her. So even though Cynthia wasn't answering

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her phone, several neighbors were certain they

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saw Danyel outside and alive over the weekend

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and into that Monday afternoon. On Tuesday, November

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5th, Cynthia's father, Dennis Winger, Hadn't

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heard from his daughter in several days. Concerned,

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he went to her house to check on her and his

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granddaughter. When he arrived, he saw that the

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front door was open. He called out for Cynthia

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and Danyel, but there was no answer. Dennis

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walked through each of the rooms calling for

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Cynthia and Danyel. The home was still clean.

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Nothing was really out of place. However, when

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Dennis enters the back bedroom, his daughter's

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bedroom, he finds Cynthia Sparpana. laying face

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up in her bed, covered with a comforter. The

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bed was soaked with blood. She had been dead

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for at least two days. Dennis called police immediately.

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When investigators arrived, they confirmed that

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Cynthia had been deceased for some time, likely

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since the weekend. Because of her decomposition,

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they couldn't determine the cause of death at

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the scene. But one thing was immediately clear.

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Danyel was missing. Police began canvassing

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the neighborhood and talking with residents.

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That's when they hear the stories of Danyel

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being seen outside of her house, the one from

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Marie and Tim. Others said that the last time

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they had seen little Danyel was on Halloween

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night when she was trick -or -treating. As search

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efforts ramped up, one possibility emerged. Based

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on what neighbors reported, police believe that

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it could be possible that Danyel could have

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been alive in the home for two, maybe even three

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days after her mother's death. A sheriff's spokesperson

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says, quote, It's bizarre, but the possibility

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exists that the little girl lived in the house

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while her mother was dead. She was a bright little

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girl, able to feed herself. You can speculate

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a million ways. Maybe she went into shock and

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didn't realize her mother was dead. Or maybe

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she got tired of waiting and walked away. Police

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were hopeful due to these sightings of Danyel.

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If neighbors had really seen her on Sunday and

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Monday, there was a chance she was still alive.

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They searched the home for fingerprints looking

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for any sign of who might have been there. And

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then they began an intensive ground search for

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Danyel. Scent dogs are brought in and helicopters

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are launched. The search continues throughout

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that night, ending around 1 a .m. on Wednesday.

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During their canvassing, they talk to more neighbors.

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Another neighbor reported hearing strange noises

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in the days before Cynthia's body was found.

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They heard barking dogs, gunshots, and the sound

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of a diesel truck idling outside of Cynthia's

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home. One woman said she saw a white man resembling

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Cynthia's ex -husband taking Danyel out of

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the home on Friday night. Cynthia's ex -husband,

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Ted, was a truck driver, and he also had a twin

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brother. But when police tracked down her ex

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-husband in Michigan, they ruled him out as a

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suspect. Police say that he had been staying

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with his parents at the time of Cynthia's death

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and his parents confirmed his alibi. Cynthia's

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body is also sent for autopsy. The autopsy revealed

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that Cynthia had been beaten with a blunt object,

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strangled, and shot in the back of the head with

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a small caliber weapon. Investigators estimated

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she'd been dead for two to three days before

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she was found. During the search of the home,

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police discovered that Cynthia's .22 caliber

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gun, which she had recently purchased for protection,

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was missing. Cynthia had been sexually assaulted

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in the past, and she bought a gun for protection

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in her home. In the days after Danyel was discovered

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missing, November 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and on,

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Police searched through gullies, the entire neighborhood,

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and open land. Volunteers also joined in the

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search effort, but no trace of Danyel was found

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during that time. Police also discovered that

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her light blue nylon coat with white fur trim

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was missing from the home, along with the mother's

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gun. By late November, weeks after Danyel’s

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disappearance, police begin to question whether

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neighbors might have been mistaken about seeing

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Danyel after the murder. But officially, they

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continued to treat her as a missing child, hopeful

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she might still be alive. In December of 1985,

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a man named Lionel Ernest Tholmer emerged as

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a possible person of interest. Police believe

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that Tholmer and Cynthia were acquaintances,

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but stressed that Tholmer was, quote, just another

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person we want to talk to. On December 12th,

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tholmer was arrested in connection to another

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murder. the killing of his ex -father -in -law,

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John Meadows. The Meadows murder happened two

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days after Cynthia's body was found. While in

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custody, Thulmer initially refused to speak with

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investigators about Cynthia and Danyel, but

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just a week later, he allegedly confessed to

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a detective. He told detectives that John Meadows

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had been a child molester and that he had killed

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Cynthia and kidnapped Danyel. He claimed to

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have traded the little girl to meth dealers.

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Police said that Thalmar later recanted this

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confession, claiming that he had been coerced.

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When questioned again, Thalmar said Meadows had

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lured him to a remote area to kill him, and then

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he shot Meadows in self -defense. After these

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initial interviews with police, Thalmar kind

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of falls out of media in regards to Cynthia and

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Danyel’s case, but he will come back around

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again, so I needed to mention him here. Police

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continued to search all over for Danyel, but

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found no trace of her. Over time, reports and

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timelines shifted in the media. Some newspapers

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began listing Danyel’s disappearance date as

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November 2nd, putting her disappearance when

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her mother was murdered, while others still listed

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as November 5th, the day that her mother was

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discovered. In 1986, so this is about a year

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after the murders, Danyel’s photo appears in

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national missing children campaigns, even on

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milk cartons. The FBI also joined in the search,

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and there were reported sightings of Danyel

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across the country, but none of these ended up

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panning out. Months began to turn into years.

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In 1988, investigators determined that Cynthia's

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killer had been left -handed, based on blood

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wound patterns at the crime scene. But this is

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really the only new clue they have in the case.

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Then in November of 1989, so this is four years

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after the murder and when Danyel went missing,

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rumors surfaced that prosecutors were preparing

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to charge Lionel Tholmer with the murder of Cynthia

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Sparpana and the kidnapping and murder of Danyel.

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Eventually, THolmer is charged with both of their

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murders, and three years later, in 1992, he was

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convicted by a jury on both counts and sentenced

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to death. But there were some serious issues

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with the case. There was no physical evidence

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linking Tholmer to Cynthia's murder or Danyel’s

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disappearance. Fingerprints and hair found near

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her body did not match Tholmer. Witnesses placed

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Tholmer elsewhere. And Tholmer is right -handed,

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and it was determined that the killer was left

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-handed. Still, the jury convicted him, and he

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was sentenced to death. Judge James Stevens overturned

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the death penalty, telling the court that there

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were lingering doubts about the evidence. He

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noted that there was no clear motive and no testimony

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placing Tholmer at the scene. Kind of adding

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to this uncertainty was Lieutenant John Kane.

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He was a Sacramento police lieutenant who had

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inserted himself into both Cynthia and John Meadows'

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case despite not being officially assigned to

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either. Reports written by Kane were later found

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to contain inconsistencies and even fabrications.

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He had been demoted in December 1985 for manufacturing

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evidence and writing false reports, the same

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month he claimed to have obtained Tholmer’s confession

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in John Meadows' murder. Despite those known

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credibility issues, Kane's testimony was central

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to Tholmer’s conviction. As of today, 2025, Lionel

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Tholmer remains in prison and continues to maintain

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his innocence in Cynthia and Danyel’s case.

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He has long maintained that he was pressured

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into confessing by Lieutenant Kane and other

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officers. And through all of this, every appeal,

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every year that has passed, little Danyel Sparpana

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has never been found. And that is the real tragedy

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in all of this case, and that is truly all we

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know about her disappearance. So if you know

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anything about the disappearance of Danyel

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Sparpana in November of 1985 or her whereabouts

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today, please call the West Sacramento Police

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Department at 916 -375 -6474. So that is the

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missing person case of Daneyl Sparpana. Before

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we get into it, I just wanted to comment that

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this case was kind of... Different from ones

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that we have covered prior because essentially

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here we have a murder and we have a suspect who

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is serving time for that murder. But with him

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continuing to say that he is innocent and with

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all of the details that came out at the end of

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this timeline, I'm curious as to why you've covered

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this. Yeah, typically, you know. This is always

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unsolved crime. That's a big part of our mission.

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But with this case, with Danyel’s case specifically,

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we have never found her. We have never found

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a trace of her. So I do think that having answers

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with what happened to Danyel is really important

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because truly we've never really gotten them.

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And while I am not, you know, my passion is for...

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cold cases and missing people. It's not in wrongful

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convictions. There's a lot of experts out there

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doing amazing work in this field. So I am by

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no means an expert. But a lot of things just

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seemed fishy to me around Tholmer’s confession

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and the fact that we just still do not really

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have any answers in what happened to Danyel.

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And what happened to her mother. I just thought

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that this would be an important case to bring

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to cold and missing and at least get people talking

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about Danyel and looking for her because she

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is still missing. Even though there is a conviction

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for her murder, we do not know what happened

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to her. So she should she should come home. I

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couldn't agree more. And I'm so glad that you

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brought this case to cold and missing. The mother

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and daughter duo sounded like two peas in a pod.

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Like a small team of a family brimming with love

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and life and it's shocking to me that I didn't

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know this story. Cynthia sounded like a devoted

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and loving mother and Danyel sounded like just

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a warm little star that was just beginning to

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glimmer to life. Completely. The mother and daughter

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duo in this, like their bond did seem so strong.

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And Cynthia seems like such an incredible mother.

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And Danyel seems like an incredible, intelligent

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child. That was one thing commented over and

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over again is how intelligent she seems. So yeah,

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the fact that these two were snatched from us

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is really unfair. Before we get into the timeline,

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I wanted to ask some questions about the eve

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of the timeline. Do you think that there was

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someone possibly watching Cynthia and Danyel

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on the night of October 31st during Danyel’s

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birthday party? Judging by the way that she was

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murdered, it seemed personal and brutal to me.

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Someone that we just that we just don't know.

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Yeah. So this was actually Cynthia's birthday,

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not Danyel’s. And I do think that, you know,

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a stalker is a possibility. I would be curious

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if police investigated that went down that road

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or if there was any evidence of that, because

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like an open house party is kind of. I don't

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want to say easy time to do it, but, you know,

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the lights are on. People are coming and going,

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having a good time, not paying attention, loud

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noises, loud people. So it'd be easy to just

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kind of watch the coming and goings. But we do

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know that Cynthia is on the phone at least the

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next day to her friend Sylvia in the evening

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hours. So if they were watching on Halloween

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night, they didn't make a move that evening.

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So as we move into the following days after Cynthia

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is no longer picking up the phone, what do you

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make of the sightings of Danyel? Because it

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sounds like to me the neighbors were very sure

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of seeing her. And this wasn't the time of, you

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know, you didn't have a cell phone where you

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could text like, oh, where they could confirm

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that they had seen her to someone else. But I'm

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curious to you as I'm wondering if you. thought

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that those sightings were legitimate because

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i really did yeah you know the people seem so

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sure that they saw Danyel both of them spoke

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in several newspapers about how they were sure

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they saw the little girl outside playing um that

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they waved to her you know they interacted they

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waved to her so it's i would i would love to

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know the true answer to this Because I see it

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on both ends. I see it on one. It's like you

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rack your brain and you're like, when did I last

00:19:51.029 --> 00:19:52.809
see this little girl that's missing so I could

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be helpful to the police? And maybe you pull

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a memory that happened that week, but it just

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happened maybe a little bit later than what they

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remembered. Or maybe they remember seeing her

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trick -or -treating, you know. It's really both

00:20:07.609 --> 00:20:10.529
ways, but it is very curious that two different

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people were very sure that they saw her on two

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different days. I think that is of note and is

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kind of harder to explain away as maybe not real.

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Yeah, I think, and this isn't a great way to

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say it, but it's a double -edged sword situation.

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If Danyel was there, that means she was there

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while her mother... was dead. And if she wasn't

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actually there, it means she was disappeared

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and or kidnapped. So either way, it does not

00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:50.259
look good. And I do have to say that Dennis,

00:20:50.500 --> 00:20:55.279
Cynthia's father, searching the home and finding

00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:58.680
his own daughter in this state is horrifying

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and heartbreaking. And again, the thought that

00:21:03.059 --> 00:21:07.710
maybe Danyel was in there with her mother is

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it's just unimaginable and I think that's why

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I'm trying to edit out that she was seen because

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I think personally it makes me very uncomfortable

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to think about that reality yeah it's it's devastating

00:21:24.910 --> 00:21:27.150
to think about Danyel especially because she

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was so smart you think she'd have like some awareness

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of what was happening even if it was a limited

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She would understand it was bad. It's heartbreaking

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to think about her feeding herself and taking

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care of herself while her mother is in a back

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room dead. However, that does make me wonder,

00:21:45.490 --> 00:21:49.289
since Danyel was so articulate and, you know,

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outgoing, talkative, I wonder if she had seen

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somebody, you know, I know one neighbor was in

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a car, so maybe she wouldn't have talked to her,

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but like if she had seen a neighbor. Would she

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have mentioned something like, oh, my mom's been

00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:02.740
laying down for days, or, you know, there's a

00:22:02.740 --> 00:22:04.700
lot of blood, or would she have mentioned something?

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I do wonder about that, if she had an opportunity

00:22:08.539 --> 00:22:13.359
to. But yeah, I mean, I can't imagine Cynthia's

00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:16.279
father's, the way he felt, the panic of finding

00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:18.660
his own daughter, and then the sheer panic of

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where's the granddaughter? You know, I would

00:22:21.819 --> 00:22:23.359
assume you think you're going to find another

00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:25.339
horrifying discovery, and then she's just not

00:22:25.339 --> 00:22:28.119
there, and that brings on its own. Horrifying

00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:31.920
discovery. So I really feel for the family in

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this case, a massive loss in this family immediately.

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I do want to circle back to some of the smaller

00:22:39.460 --> 00:22:44.000
details of what neighbors and canvassing brought

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about, which is. During the days or maybe on

00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:53.119
the eve of after finding Cynthia, there were

00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:56.819
gunshots heard. There was the idling truck. There

00:22:56.819 --> 00:23:00.720
was the possibility of seeing Ted, who also has

00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:04.599
a twin brother. There's so many questions around

00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:06.819
those little details, and I just wanted to discuss

00:23:06.819 --> 00:23:10.900
them with you. Yeah, I would be really curious

00:23:10.900 --> 00:23:13.740
about the neighbor who says that she saw, you

00:23:13.740 --> 00:23:16.759
know, the ex -husband taking Danyel one evening.

00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:20.400
I think it was the Friday evening. So this would

00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:24.220
have been like the night that Cynthia was talking

00:23:24.220 --> 00:23:25.920
on the phone, but then she never called her friend

00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:28.160
back. That was that Friday night. So that is

00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:31.920
also the night someone claims they saw the ex

00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:35.240
-husband taking Danyel out. I would be curious

00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:37.039
to know, like, if that neighbor had lived there

00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:39.519
a long time and, like, how long had Cynthia and

00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:41.240
Danyel lived there? Like, would she have been

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very familiar with what the ex -husband looked

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like? You know, would she have recognized him

00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:49.480
right away? That's just something I would be

00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:53.859
curious to know about that witness. But, you

00:23:53.859 --> 00:23:56.920
know, we know her ex -husband is ruled out. Police

00:23:56.920 --> 00:23:59.920
rule him out. I assume that they had to have

00:23:59.920 --> 00:24:02.160
ruled out the twin brother as well. Since you

00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:04.599
see somebody who looks like him, you have to

00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:06.640
look at the other person who looks like him.

00:24:07.460 --> 00:24:09.779
However, no reports about, you know, if they

00:24:09.779 --> 00:24:11.460
ruled him out, how they ruled him out or anything

00:24:11.460 --> 00:24:14.440
like that on the twin brother. So that's a question

00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:16.740
I have, but I have to assume that was done. It

00:24:16.740 --> 00:24:19.880
just feels so obvious if it wasn't. The other

00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:22.490
question that I have and. While it was only briefly

00:24:22.490 --> 00:24:26.490
mentioned, Cynthia was someone who in her recent

00:24:26.490 --> 00:24:31.589
past had experienced sexual assault. Now, I'm

00:24:31.589 --> 00:24:35.509
curious to know who that man was, who that man

00:24:35.509 --> 00:24:39.950
is, if anyone in her life knew who he was, if

00:24:39.950 --> 00:24:44.210
she even knew who he was. Because to me, it just

00:24:44.210 --> 00:24:48.920
came up as a red flag to me. While I know you

00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:52.099
might not be able to directly answer, I wondered

00:24:52.099 --> 00:24:55.339
if you also thought something about this person

00:24:55.339 --> 00:24:59.839
as if maybe he was a possibility. Yeah. You know,

00:24:59.859 --> 00:25:01.720
Cynthia being sexually assaulted, it did seem

00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:04.359
to scare her. And, you know, she told friends

00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:07.880
that she was scared of this man. But I don't

00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:10.619
know who he is. It's not reported on. And I don't

00:25:10.619 --> 00:25:14.119
know if Cynthia knew him or it was just, you

00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:18.269
know, him. In general, that she was scared of.

00:25:18.349 --> 00:25:22.369
But I don't have answers there. But it is something

00:25:22.369 --> 00:25:26.170
that I wonder how far police got down that road.

00:25:26.269 --> 00:25:28.890
And were they able to rule it out? When, where,

00:25:28.970 --> 00:25:32.589
why? And if not, that is definitely an avenue

00:25:32.589 --> 00:25:35.410
that if I was investigating, I would have gone

00:25:35.410 --> 00:25:37.309
down because she was scared. She was scared enough

00:25:37.309 --> 00:25:40.650
to buy a gun. So I think that's pretty telling.

00:25:41.289 --> 00:25:44.579
Yeah, I mean. Of course she was scared, and the

00:25:44.579 --> 00:25:48.119
purchase of a firearm to protect oneself after

00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.119
experiencing something like that is completely

00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:54.440
understandable to me. And the description of

00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:58.940
her gun, a .22 caliber, is a relatively small

00:25:58.940 --> 00:26:05.460
handgun, but it also matches the caliber bullet

00:26:05.460 --> 00:26:09.140
wound that she had. Not identically, but it did

00:26:09.140 --> 00:26:12.730
say that it was... made from a small caliber

00:26:12.730 --> 00:26:17.349
weapon so I'm wondering if that gun was present

00:26:17.349 --> 00:26:20.470
and was used on her. I think that is the working

00:26:20.470 --> 00:26:23.289
theory that her own gun was used in her murder

00:26:23.289 --> 00:26:26.089
due to the small caliber but since they have

00:26:26.089 --> 00:26:28.089
not been able to find the murder weapon that

00:26:28.089 --> 00:26:31.289
has not been 100 % confirmed but I think that

00:26:31.289 --> 00:26:35.710
is the working theory. I am grateful to know

00:26:35.710 --> 00:26:40.230
that law enforcement continued to treat Danyel’s

00:26:40.230 --> 00:26:43.190
case with the utmost respect and continued to

00:26:43.190 --> 00:26:47.430
treat her as a missing child because she was,

00:26:47.569 --> 00:26:52.630
she is. And a lot of the times, especially in

00:26:52.630 --> 00:26:55.849
cases we've covered, law enforcement has dropped

00:26:55.849 --> 00:26:59.130
the ball. And I don't think that that was the

00:26:59.130 --> 00:27:02.619
case here. Again, I'm very grateful to hear that

00:27:02.619 --> 00:27:04.940
they continued to search for her because more

00:27:04.940 --> 00:27:10.720
answers did come. Which brings us to Thulmer.

00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:16.039
I think that Thulmer's confession sounded like

00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:19.420
he was scrambling for something, scrambling to

00:27:19.420 --> 00:27:22.500
make something up. It sounded like coercion to

00:27:22.500 --> 00:27:25.900
me. Lieutenant John Kane, the lieutenant that

00:27:25.900 --> 00:27:30.420
inserted himself into this case, sounded like

00:27:30.420 --> 00:27:34.140
an officer who did not do his job well, and he

00:27:34.140 --> 00:27:38.140
sounded like a liar to me. So I think it's very

00:27:38.140 --> 00:27:42.779
possible that this confession is made up and

00:27:42.779 --> 00:27:46.119
that the wrong person is serving time for this

00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:48.440
crime. I think that's really what's so scary

00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:51.079
about this case is that, you know, in a murder

00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:53.769
trial, It's beyond a reasonable doubt, especially

00:27:53.769 --> 00:27:59.069
in a death sentence case. It should be beyond

00:27:59.069 --> 00:28:03.630
a reasonable doubt. And again, I am no legal

00:28:03.630 --> 00:28:06.450
expert. I am not an expert on false confessions

00:28:06.450 --> 00:28:10.990
or false convictions. But I think it speaks volumes

00:28:10.990 --> 00:28:14.210
that a judge in this case overturned the death

00:28:14.210 --> 00:28:18.160
penalty. commuted it to life in prison without

00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:20.500
the possibility of parole he was already serving

00:28:20.500 --> 00:28:22.519
life in prison for the murder of john meadows

00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:25.940
but he has maintained his innocence with cynthia

00:28:25.940 --> 00:28:29.480
and Danyel’s case and ultimately we just like

00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:31.299
still don't have answers around what happened

00:28:31.299 --> 00:28:34.900
to Danyel throughout the entire court case

00:28:34.900 --> 00:28:38.299
there were no answers about what happened to

00:28:38.299 --> 00:28:42.819
her where her body is um nothing so i think getting

00:28:42.819 --> 00:28:45.890
answers with what happened to Danyel is a The

00:28:45.890 --> 00:28:48.289
utmost importance. I've said it before on this

00:28:48.289 --> 00:28:51.490
podcast, but I'll say it again, that there is

00:28:51.490 --> 00:28:54.049
no excuse to not know what happened to a child.

00:28:54.130 --> 00:28:57.329
I think those are the most important cases that

00:28:57.329 --> 00:28:59.769
should be worked by police. Missing children

00:28:59.769 --> 00:29:02.990
should always have an answer. I think it's a

00:29:02.990 --> 00:29:04.930
shame that we don't have answers in Danyel’s

00:29:04.930 --> 00:29:09.700
case. Yeah, again, I think it. is worth mentioning

00:29:09.700 --> 00:29:11.660
that it's really important that you brought this

00:29:11.660 --> 00:29:16.619
case to us because it did involve a murder, Danyel’s

00:29:16.619 --> 00:29:22.700
mother's murder. This case can become very gray

00:29:22.700 --> 00:29:25.819
because there's so much information. There is

00:29:25.819 --> 00:29:33.210
a full murder and a confession that can... That

00:29:33.210 --> 00:29:35.609
can allow this case to go in multiple directions.

00:29:35.990 --> 00:29:39.349
And again, like you said, it needs to keep being

00:29:39.349 --> 00:29:42.410
brought back to Danyel. What happened to Danyel?

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Where is she? If someone took her, who did it?

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And where are they? There are so many questions

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in this case that need to be answered. And I

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believe that it is absolutely possible that those

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questions can be answered here. I agree. I think

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if we go back, you know, we don't. just have

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blinders on and, you know, try to find all the

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evidence that leads to Tholmer , if we just go

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back and really comb through this, yes, maybe

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it does lead back to Tholmer and he's been lying

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this whole time, right? Like, then at least we

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know beyond a reasonable doubt. So that's what

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I need, beyond a reasonable doubt. And I don't

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have it. And we don't know where Danyel is.

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She is not resting in her final resting spot.

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So that is ultimately why this came to cold and

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missing, like I mentioned before. We need answers

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in Danyel’s case. So if you know anything about

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the disappearance of Danyel Sparpana in November

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of 1985 or her whereabouts today, please call

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the West Sacramento Police Department at 916

00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:51.299
-375 -6474. We will have pictures of Danyel

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on our Instagram again. With this case, we are

00:30:54.460 --> 00:30:56.319
focusing on Danyel, so we'll have a picture

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of Danyel and we'll also have an age progression

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to what she might look like in her late 20s,

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but she would be in her 40s today. So please

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keep that in mind. Please share it. Let's get

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Danyel’s face out there. Let's get her case

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out there. Let's get some energy behind it and

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try to get some answers on where she is because

00:31:12.059 --> 00:31:15.799
we don't know and we should know. So where is

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Danyel? Let's find out. You or someone you

00:31:20.710 --> 00:31:22.789
love is hard of hearing. We do have transcripts

00:31:22.789 --> 00:31:26.250
of all of our episodes on www .coldandmissing

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.com. You can find them all there. Those are

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the correct spellings for everything. You'll

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notice Danyel’s name is spelled differently

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than the typical way you spell Danyel. So if

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you want to get that kind of spelling and correctness,

00:31:40.369 --> 00:31:43.329
then go over to the official transcripts as the

00:31:43.329 --> 00:31:45.990
automatic ones in most podcasts. Most podcast

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players I do not have control over. And finally,

00:31:48.970 --> 00:31:50.630
like we mentioned at the top, if you could rate

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and review us, that would be amazing. It gets

00:31:52.589 --> 00:31:54.529
this case out there. It gets these other cases

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out there. It gives people some confidence in

00:31:58.250 --> 00:32:01.170
us and lets them give us a chance. So thank you

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if you've already done it. Thank you if you're

00:32:02.569 --> 00:32:04.470
going to do it. And thank you if you're thinking

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about it, because maybe one day you will. But

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that's all I have for you today. Thank you so

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much for listening to Cold and Missing. I'm your

00:32:10.930 --> 00:32:14.279
host, Ali . And I'm your co -host, Eli. Have

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a good week and stay safe, y 'all. Stay safe,

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y 'all.