Cold and Missing: Arthur Williams, Jr

WEBVTT

00:00:08.269 --> 00:00:10.789
The views and opinions expressed in Cold and

00:00:10.789 --> 00:00:13.710
Missing are exclusively those of the hosts. All

00:00:13.710 --> 00:00:16.129
parties mentioned are considered innocent until

00:00:16.129 --> 00:00:18.929
proven guilty in a court of law. Cold and Missing

00:00:18.929 --> 00:00:22.390
also contains adult themes and languages. Listener

00:00:22.390 --> 00:00:26.230
discretion is advised. I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin

00:00:26.230 --> 00:00:28.989
-Sulkowski. And I'm your co -host, Eli Sulkowski.

00:00:29.250 --> 00:00:31.289
And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover

00:00:31.289 --> 00:00:34.929
cold cases and missing person cases. Hello, everyone,

00:00:34.929 --> 00:00:36.869
and welcome back to Cold and Missing. I'm your

00:00:36.869 --> 00:00:39.439
host, Ali. And I'm your co -host, Eli. Welcome

00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:42.979
back, everyone. Eli is back this week. My back

00:00:42.979 --> 00:00:46.320
is feeling better. So I did fall again this week

00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:49.579
on the ice, but slowly recovering, trying to

00:00:49.579 --> 00:00:51.640
get it all together, trying to make it through

00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:54.420
this winter in one piece. Winter is coming in

00:00:54.420 --> 00:00:58.640
strong. But we are happy to both be back this

00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:03.200
week. And we are on episode 150 this week. That's

00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:06.120
right. And we are on a cold case. All right.

00:01:06.180 --> 00:01:09.930
Let's get into it. Let's do it. So just as a

00:01:09.930 --> 00:01:11.989
bit of a content warning at the top, this case

00:01:11.989 --> 00:01:16.049
does involve a young person. Today, we are talking

00:01:16.049 --> 00:01:18.890
about the cold case of Arthur James Williams

00:01:18.890 --> 00:01:23.250
Jr. And this happens in Las Vegas, Nevada in

00:01:23.250 --> 00:01:27.189
April of 1985. But first, a little bit about

00:01:27.189 --> 00:01:31.150
Arthur. In 1985, Arthur was just three years

00:01:31.150 --> 00:01:33.569
old and living in Las Vegas, Nevada with his

00:01:33.569 --> 00:01:37.629
family. He and his five -year -old sister, Anglia,

00:01:37.790 --> 00:01:40.769
were close and spent their days together. Their

00:01:40.769 --> 00:01:44.189
father, who was also named Arthur, worked as

00:01:44.189 --> 00:01:46.969
a porter at the Tropicana Hotel, and their mother,

00:01:47.129 --> 00:01:49.810
Annie, worked as a maid at the Las Vegas Hilton.

00:01:50.370 --> 00:01:53.670
Since father and son shared the same name, the

00:01:53.670 --> 00:01:57.790
nickname Junior quickly stuck with Arthur. Annie

00:01:57.790 --> 00:02:01.290
and Arthur Sr. were not together, but they were

00:02:01.290 --> 00:02:05.239
co -parenting well. Annie lived in the York apartments

00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:09.340
at 213 West New York Avenue in a neighborhood

00:02:09.340 --> 00:02:13.520
known as Naked City in Las Vegas, Nevada. Just

00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:16.860
two streets over on Philadelphia Avenue is where

00:02:16.860 --> 00:02:20.860
Arthur Sr. lived. So Jr. and his sister were

00:02:20.860 --> 00:02:22.879
comfortable in this neighborhood and spent a

00:02:22.879 --> 00:02:25.020
lot of time going back and forth between their

00:02:25.020 --> 00:02:28.919
parents' homes. The neighborhood is located just

00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:32.449
off of the famous Las Vegas Strip. In fact, their

00:02:32.449 --> 00:02:35.210
neighborhood is in the shadow of the Strat Hotel.

00:02:35.770 --> 00:02:39.069
Of course, that was not there in 1985, but today

00:02:39.069 --> 00:02:42.990
you can see the big Stratosphere Hotel right

00:02:42.990 --> 00:02:46.750
from both of their homes. While the area had

00:02:46.750 --> 00:02:49.430
a reputation of being rougher, neighbors pushed

00:02:49.430 --> 00:02:52.110
back on that image, insisting it wasn't fair

00:02:52.110 --> 00:02:54.409
and didn't reflect the people who lived there.

00:02:54.729 --> 00:02:58.509
For Arthur and Anglia, this was a familiar and

00:02:58.509 --> 00:03:01.490
comfortable neighborhood. Arthur was known for

00:03:01.490 --> 00:03:05.050
his smile. He was happy -go -lucky, smart for

00:03:05.050 --> 00:03:08.289
his age and strong. Remarkably strong for a three

00:03:08.289 --> 00:03:11.650
-year -old, his family would remark. He was also

00:03:11.650 --> 00:03:14.250
a child whose presence brought joy to the small

00:03:14.250 --> 00:03:17.530
circle around him. Neighbors knew him by the

00:03:17.530 --> 00:03:19.530
smile that just seemed to light up his face.

00:03:20.750 --> 00:03:26.189
And now a timeline of events. Monday, April 15th,

00:03:26.189 --> 00:03:31.139
1985. Just a little bit after 5 p .m., Annie

00:03:31.139 --> 00:03:34.139
is off of work at the Hilton and she picks up

00:03:34.139 --> 00:03:36.620
both of her children from their dad and stepmother's

00:03:36.620 --> 00:03:40.000
home on Philadelphia Avenue. Since she had just

00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:42.860
gotten off of work, her and the kids quickly

00:03:42.860 --> 00:03:44.819
swung by her apartment so that way she could

00:03:44.819 --> 00:03:47.120
change out of her clothes. Then they all jumped

00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:50.259
back in the car and headed over to KFC to pick

00:03:50.259 --> 00:03:52.840
up some dinner. After picking up the food, they

00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:55.680
head straight back to the apartment. Arthur and

00:03:55.680 --> 00:03:58.099
his sister said that they weren't hungry. They

00:03:58.099 --> 00:04:00.319
weren't ready to eat. They wanted to go outside

00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:04.000
and play. So Annie told them it was fine to go

00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:08.199
outside. It was just about 6 p .m., so it's still

00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:10.979
daylight at this point. When they first step

00:04:10.979 --> 00:04:14.300
out of their apartment and outside, Anglia notices

00:04:14.300 --> 00:04:18.120
a white man sitting on a low wall along the sidewalk

00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:21.959
of West New York Avenue. He was wearing a white

00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:25.699
button -down shirt that was unbuttoned and had

00:04:25.699 --> 00:04:28.139
the sleeves rolled up. He was also wearing blue

00:04:28.139 --> 00:04:32.660
jeans. He was about 5 '8", slender, around 130

00:04:32.660 --> 00:04:36.480
pounds, with blondish -brownish hair, possibly

00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:40.680
graying, and a slight mustache. She also mentioned

00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:43.399
specifically that he was wearing brown deck shoes,

00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:46.519
and he also spoke with some sort of European

00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:50.069
accent, but no specifics on what kind. The man

00:04:50.069 --> 00:04:52.949
was sitting on this like half wall outside of

00:04:52.949 --> 00:04:55.350
the apartment, and Anglia also sat on the wall

00:04:55.350 --> 00:04:58.430
but farther away from the man. And Arthur was

00:04:58.430 --> 00:05:00.889
just playing on the sidewalk a few feet in front

00:05:00.889 --> 00:05:05.029
of his sister. Suddenly, Anglia heard the man

00:05:05.029 --> 00:05:07.269
say something along the lines of, I'm going to

00:05:07.269 --> 00:05:10.509
kill you, I'm going to hurt you, to her little

00:05:10.509 --> 00:05:14.949
brother. Then, without hesitation, the man stood

00:05:14.949 --> 00:05:17.610
up, pulled out a folding knife from his pocket,

00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:21.399
and took a single step towards Arthur. Arthur

00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:23.779
was still playing on the ground near the curb

00:05:23.779 --> 00:05:27.279
when the man approached and swung once, stabbing

00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:30.100
him in the head just above the ear. And just

00:05:30.100 --> 00:05:33.939
as quickly, the man took off running. He was

00:05:33.939 --> 00:05:36.540
bolting down the alley off West New York Avenue,

00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:41.079
running south. In almost the same instance, Anglia

00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:43.500
took off running to her mother's apartment, screaming,

00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:47.420
and told her mom that Arthur had been hit. Annie

00:05:47.420 --> 00:05:49.439
emerged out of the apartment into a nightmare.

00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:52.839
She thought that Arthur had been hit by a car

00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:55.319
since Anglia had come in saying that he was

00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:57.420
hit, so she's looking in the middle of the road

00:05:57.420 --> 00:06:01.060
for her son but can't find him. It's then that

00:06:01.060 --> 00:06:04.379
Anglia points to Arthur, who's crumpled up next

00:06:04.379 --> 00:06:07.120
to the curb, and Annie scoops up her son and

00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:10.819
screams for help. A neighbor rushes out and begins

00:06:10.819 --> 00:06:15.750
doing CPR on the boy as 911 is called. It's reported

00:06:15.750 --> 00:06:18.990
that around 6 -11, so really 11 minutes after

00:06:18.990 --> 00:06:20.930
the kids had stepped outside, is when the first

00:06:20.930 --> 00:06:25.050
911 calls started coming in to police. Paramedics

00:06:25.050 --> 00:06:27.069
arrive, and they start rushing Arthur to the

00:06:27.069 --> 00:06:30.389
hospital. At this point, no one has been able

00:06:30.389 --> 00:06:33.470
to confirm that it was a stabbing. They don't

00:06:33.470 --> 00:06:35.389
know if he had been hit, if he had been struck

00:06:35.389 --> 00:06:38.129
with an object, but all they can really know

00:06:38.129 --> 00:06:40.509
for sure is that he's bleeding from his head.

00:06:41.579 --> 00:06:45.019
An officer left at the scene realizes that Anglia

00:06:45.019 --> 00:06:48.439
is the only witness to the murder. She tells

00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:51.759
police what she saw. The scene at the apartment

00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:54.420
is small. There is a little blood left at the

00:06:54.420 --> 00:06:57.339
ground from Arthur, but really it's contained,

00:06:57.480 --> 00:06:59.639
so police are able to secure the scene quickly.

00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:02.720
Paramedics rush Arthur to the hospital, where

00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:06.139
he's quickly moved into surgery. He's still alive

00:07:06.139 --> 00:07:09.899
at this point, but unresponsive. The next day,

00:07:10.269 --> 00:07:15.329
Thursday, April 16, 1985, about 17 hours after

00:07:15.329 --> 00:07:20.089
the attack, at around 10 .20 a .m., Arthur passes

00:07:20.089 --> 00:07:25.029
away at the hospital. His parents made the decision

00:07:25.029 --> 00:07:29.050
to donate his organs. His corneas, kidneys, and

00:07:29.050 --> 00:07:32.490
heart went on to save and help others. His father

00:07:32.490 --> 00:07:35.730
said, quote, My son's no longer with us, so I

00:07:35.730 --> 00:07:38.769
prefer to have another life continue. My son

00:07:38.769 --> 00:07:43.069
will live on in somebody else's body. Annie very

00:07:43.069 --> 00:07:45.709
quickly makes the decision that she cannot stay

00:07:45.709 --> 00:07:49.790
in that apartment any longer. She quickly returns

00:07:49.790 --> 00:07:53.750
to just grab some important things and then finds

00:07:53.750 --> 00:07:57.230
a new place to live very quickly. Word spread

00:07:57.230 --> 00:07:59.529
throughout the complex, sending fear through

00:07:59.529 --> 00:08:01.810
a community where children were usually running

00:08:01.810 --> 00:08:05.470
around and playing in the streets. Kids were

00:08:05.470 --> 00:08:08.730
still outside, but now... Every parent was hovering

00:08:08.730 --> 00:08:12.029
close by. One neighbor said, quote, we're watching

00:08:12.029 --> 00:08:14.930
everybody, even people we know. He might be coming

00:08:14.930 --> 00:08:17.209
back for someone else or just returning to see

00:08:17.209 --> 00:08:20.449
the cops. So everyone's on alert and everybody's

00:08:20.449 --> 00:08:23.589
suspicious of everyone. Another neighbor tells

00:08:23.589 --> 00:08:26.230
police that he had been outside moments before

00:08:26.230 --> 00:08:28.550
the attacks but had stepped back into his apartment

00:08:28.550 --> 00:08:32.509
when the attack was actually taking place. He

00:08:32.509 --> 00:08:35.429
says, quote, I wish I had stayed out there. I

00:08:35.429 --> 00:08:38.139
might have seen something. I wonder why he didn't

00:08:38.139 --> 00:08:40.820
hurt the girl. I guess the guy was nuts or planned

00:08:40.820 --> 00:08:43.779
to kill the boy all along. Tips began coming

00:08:43.779 --> 00:08:46.840
in as media coverage increased on the case. At

00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:49.720
the time, in 1985, this really hits the Las Vegas

00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:52.600
media. It's front page news for many, many days.

00:08:53.179 --> 00:08:55.559
Police are canvassing the area for witnesses

00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:58.559
and going door to door to get statements. They

00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:00.840
did talk to an apartment manager who said that

00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:04.039
about 15 minutes before the murder, Two Hispanic

00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:06.620
males had been sitting on the wall drinking beer,

00:09:06.779 --> 00:09:09.240
but the apartment manager had chased them off

00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:11.559
because they were littering their beer cans in

00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:14.700
the landscaping. The men had gone down the same

00:09:14.700 --> 00:09:17.340
alley that the murderer would run down minutes

00:09:17.340 --> 00:09:20.860
later. Police continue to question everybody,

00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:24.320
but it seems very quickly that the only person

00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.700
that saw the murder is Arthur's sister. On Wednesday,

00:09:28.820 --> 00:09:33.019
April 17th, 1985, so this is two days since the

00:09:33.019 --> 00:09:36.279
murder, police had no solid leads at this point

00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:39.279
and were pleading with the public for help. They

00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:43.179
hoped that the horror and randomness of the crime

00:09:43.179 --> 00:09:45.340
would push someone to come forward with what

00:09:45.340 --> 00:09:48.919
they know. Working with Anglia, detectives established

00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:52.419
the basic sequence. The man was sitting on the

00:09:52.419 --> 00:09:56.200
wall. He talked to the children. threatened to

00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:59.639
kill Arthur, and then pulled out the knife and

00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:02.940
stabbed him before running south. It all happened

00:10:02.940 --> 00:10:06.600
very, very quickly. Detectives work with her

00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:09.200
to create a composite sketch of the man. And

00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:12.340
initially, a $1 ,000 reward is offered, but quickly

00:10:12.340 --> 00:10:15.740
this grows and doubles as people donate due to

00:10:15.740 --> 00:10:18.779
the horror of the crime. One investigator called

00:10:18.779 --> 00:10:21.259
it, quote, the most senseless thing I've seen.

00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:24.789
The family was shattered. They couldn't stop

00:10:24.789 --> 00:10:28.889
thinking about Arthur's final moments. The family

00:10:28.889 --> 00:10:31.909
seemed sure that he likely smiled as the man

00:10:31.909 --> 00:10:34.610
approached him because that's just how he was.

00:10:34.610 --> 00:10:37.429
He smiled at everybody. His father said, quote,

00:10:37.590 --> 00:10:40.110
We don't know what happened. Now we're afraid

00:10:40.110 --> 00:10:43.549
for his sister. She was the only witness. Why

00:10:43.549 --> 00:10:45.610
would someone do something to a kid like this?

00:10:45.710 --> 00:10:48.429
To pull a knife on a baby like this? I can't

00:10:48.429 --> 00:10:53.429
see it. The family believes that there had to

00:10:53.429 --> 00:10:56.230
be another witness. It was still daylight when

00:10:56.230 --> 00:10:59.070
the crime happened. People were out on the street

00:10:59.070 --> 00:11:02.309
driving by. There was always people out and about

00:11:02.309 --> 00:11:05.429
in this community, so his parents believe that

00:11:05.429 --> 00:11:09.350
somebody else should have seen something. Later

00:11:09.350 --> 00:11:11.789
that day, police announced that they were looking

00:11:11.789 --> 00:11:14.909
for another possible suspect, but it could be

00:11:14.909 --> 00:11:18.539
the same man. This man was seen shortly before

00:11:18.539 --> 00:11:22.179
the murder took place at about 545, so 15, 20

00:11:22.179 --> 00:11:25.519
minutes before the actual act. He matched the

00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:28.220
general description that Anglia had given. A

00:11:28.220 --> 00:11:32.840
white male, early 30s, around 5 '8", with graying

00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:36.480
brown blondish hair, combed over the ears and

00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:39.259
parted on the right. He was wearing a cotton

00:11:39.259 --> 00:11:41.580
white dress shirt with rolled up sleeves, light

00:11:41.580 --> 00:11:44.440
brown khaki pants, and old brown deck shoes.

00:11:45.259 --> 00:11:48.720
He spoke English with a European accent, so very

00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:50.759
similar to the same description that Anglia

00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:54.139
had given. A composite sketch was created from

00:11:54.139 --> 00:11:58.379
all of this and released to the media. On Thursday,

00:11:58.460 --> 00:12:01.379
April 18th, so this is three days after the murder,

00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:05.259
and police officially release the composite sketch

00:12:05.259 --> 00:12:08.259
based off of Anglia's description and the description

00:12:08.259 --> 00:12:11.460
of the man seen, you know, shortly before the

00:12:11.460 --> 00:12:14.899
crime took place. Hundreds of calls start pouring

00:12:14.899 --> 00:12:17.820
in, and police start chasing down every single

00:12:17.820 --> 00:12:21.059
one. People feel like they really recognize at

00:12:21.059 --> 00:12:25.100
least somebody from this composite sketch. The

00:12:25.100 --> 00:12:28.080
next day, on Friday, April 19th, so four days

00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:30.899
since the murder, a second sketch was released,

00:12:31.019 --> 00:12:33.740
though this one has fewer details in the face.

00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:37.620
We'll have them up on our Instagram, at coldandmissing,

00:12:37.620 --> 00:12:40.399
so you'll see the first one they release is very

00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:44.690
detailed. The second one... is less detailed.

00:12:46.129 --> 00:12:49.490
No explanation was given for why a second drawing

00:12:49.490 --> 00:12:53.149
was needed or released, but again, more and more

00:12:53.149 --> 00:12:55.929
tips come in for people who think that they know

00:12:55.929 --> 00:13:01.070
this man in the composite sketch. However, police

00:13:01.070 --> 00:13:05.169
run down all of the leads that come in one by

00:13:05.169 --> 00:13:08.649
one, and they rule each one out. On Tuesday,

00:13:08.769 --> 00:13:11.549
April 23rd, so it's been a week since the murder,

00:13:12.379 --> 00:13:16.200
Detectives still had no workable leads. Hundreds

00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:18.419
of calls had been logged, but none pointed them

00:13:18.419 --> 00:13:21.259
towards a suspect. Police had ran them down one

00:13:21.259 --> 00:13:23.759
by one, and according to them, none of them panned

00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:28.340
out. On Sunday, April 28, 1985, so it's been

00:13:28.340 --> 00:13:31.259
13 days now, and nearing the two -week mark,

00:13:31.539 --> 00:13:33.919
fear in the apartment complex remained high.

00:13:34.740 --> 00:13:38.460
A neighbor, Maria Lopez, said, I'm scared because

00:13:38.460 --> 00:13:40.860
they haven't caught the guy. I don't know what's

00:13:40.860 --> 00:13:43.269
going to happen. and I'm keeping a closer eye

00:13:43.269 --> 00:13:47.129
every day. The complex manager, Willie Daniels,

00:13:47.129 --> 00:13:50.470
said the atmosphere had changed entirely. Quote,

00:13:50.490 --> 00:13:53.169
everybody's leery at night. It's just really

00:13:53.169 --> 00:13:55.549
depressing. There used to always be children

00:13:55.549 --> 00:13:58.570
playing. It's just dead now. A couple of tenants

00:13:58.570 --> 00:14:02.789
have even purchased guns. Arthur's father voiced

00:14:02.789 --> 00:14:05.529
another concern, that there were likely witnesses

00:14:05.529 --> 00:14:08.549
who were too afraid to come forward. He says,

00:14:08.610 --> 00:14:21.090
quote, In response to this, in May of 1985, so

00:14:21.090 --> 00:14:24.929
a month after Arthur's murder, a couple in the

00:14:24.929 --> 00:14:27.990
neighborhood, Jim and Rosa Weber, bought a dedicated

00:14:27.990 --> 00:14:31.690
phone line and printed posters in Spanish, hoping

00:14:31.690 --> 00:14:34.600
that if someone did have information, but was

00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:37.120
undocumented, they would come forward to Rosa

00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:40.399
and Jim and tell them what they know. This was

00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:42.679
even signed off by the police, who thought it

00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:44.919
would be helpful as their case had stalled a

00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:48.059
month out. However, it doesn't seem that any

00:14:48.059 --> 00:14:51.879
meaningful tips ever came from this effort. And

00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:54.259
despite the sketches, the tips, the interviews,

00:14:54.379 --> 00:14:58.559
and the overall terror really gripping this area,

00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:02.019
this neighborhood, quickly the case goes cold.

00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:06.179
Over the years, investigators try to work on

00:15:06.179 --> 00:15:08.879
the case and they do some things here and there,

00:15:08.980 --> 00:15:11.860
but it remains firmly in the cold case category.

00:15:13.340 --> 00:15:18.700
In January of 2025, so just earlier this year,

00:15:18.860 --> 00:15:21.360
almost a complete year now that we're at the

00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:23.879
end of December or nearing the end of December,

00:15:24.019 --> 00:15:29.480
but just shy of 39 years, the Las Vegas police

00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:32.279
stepped up their effort around their cold cases.

00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:35.899
So they officially formed a cold case unit and

00:15:35.899 --> 00:15:38.360
had full -time detectives working specifically

00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:42.580
just on cold cases. And retired homicide Lieutenant

00:15:42.580 --> 00:15:47.600
Jason Johanson sits down for a LVMPD -produced

00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:51.539
podcast, and he discusses the case. In this interview,

00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:54.379
he mentions that there were truly lots of tips

00:15:54.379 --> 00:15:57.340
called in on this case, from as small as mentioning

00:15:57.340 --> 00:16:00.669
a man who always carried a knife on him, to a

00:16:00.669 --> 00:16:03.169
specific tip to check out a man in the Air Force,

00:16:03.269 --> 00:16:06.590
but he doesn't really elaborate on that at all.

00:16:07.110 --> 00:16:09.529
However, he says that the most consistent tip

00:16:09.529 --> 00:16:13.750
that came in was that Annie, Arthur's mom, had

00:16:13.750 --> 00:16:15.710
a relationship with a guy that she worked with

00:16:15.710 --> 00:16:19.210
at the Las Vegas Hilton. Tipsters believed that

00:16:19.210 --> 00:16:21.309
the man could be involved in Arthur's murder.

00:16:22.490 --> 00:16:24.750
Coworkers of Annie said that about three weeks

00:16:24.750 --> 00:16:26.970
before the murder, the two of them had broken

00:16:26.970 --> 00:16:29.210
up and he had threatened to hurt her while she

00:16:29.210 --> 00:16:33.460
was at work. Annie had reported him at work to

00:16:33.460 --> 00:16:36.240
her supervisors, and he was fired as a result.

00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:39.700
He again threatened Annie when he was fired.

00:16:40.139 --> 00:16:43.259
Police at the time in 1985 interviewed the man,

00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:45.799
and ultimately, it appeared to rule him out.

00:16:46.379 --> 00:16:49.679
He had passed a polygraph test at the time, but

00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:52.080
really, the most damning piece of evidence was

00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:56.059
that Anglia didn't recognize him. Anglia knew

00:16:56.059 --> 00:16:59.379
who... Anglia knew who her mom's ex -boyfriend

00:16:59.379 --> 00:17:02.399
was and could recognize him. However, she did

00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:05.880
not recognize her brother's murderer. Police

00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:08.099
say that they have talked with Anglia recently

00:17:08.099 --> 00:17:11.259
to discuss her brother's murder and that the

00:17:11.259 --> 00:17:13.640
evidence that they have in this case is very

00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:17.240
slim, but there is some. As far as evidence goes,

00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:21.460
according to this interview, they still have

00:17:21.460 --> 00:17:23.640
the blood that was found at the scene and recovered.

00:17:24.589 --> 00:17:27.930
The blood has never been tested to, one, confirm

00:17:27.930 --> 00:17:31.329
that it's truly Arthur's and never tested to

00:17:31.329 --> 00:17:34.029
see if it had been mixed with anybody else's.

00:17:34.049 --> 00:17:37.269
So no idea if the murderer maybe accidentally

00:17:37.269 --> 00:17:40.569
cut himself in the attack and perhaps his blood

00:17:40.569 --> 00:17:44.170
is at the scene too. So that has never been tested

00:17:44.170 --> 00:17:46.890
according to this interview, but there are plans

00:17:46.890 --> 00:17:50.049
to test it. I don't know if that's happened in

00:17:50.049 --> 00:17:53.809
2025. I couldn't find any updates on this, but

00:17:53.809 --> 00:17:57.789
it's... does sound like the LVMPD is looking

00:17:57.789 --> 00:18:02.289
to test it. The other piece of evidence they

00:18:02.289 --> 00:18:04.630
have is a beer bottle that they found in the

00:18:04.630 --> 00:18:08.569
alleyway that the murderer ran down. Now, there

00:18:08.569 --> 00:18:11.849
was that apartment manager who chased those guys

00:18:11.849 --> 00:18:14.470
off like 15, 20 minutes before the murder happened,

00:18:14.549 --> 00:18:16.730
but he specifically said that they were drinking

00:18:16.730 --> 00:18:20.680
beer cans. And they found a beer bottle in the

00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:23.579
alley. So police collected it. And they did process

00:18:23.579 --> 00:18:26.799
it. And there are some fingerprints on it. But

00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:30.500
they've never come back with a match. So I know

00:18:30.500 --> 00:18:33.500
they ran it through the systems in 1985. They

00:18:33.500 --> 00:18:36.599
did it again in the mid -90s. And I believe,

00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:39.000
again, they're going to try again in 2025 to

00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:41.420
see if anything's been added to the system over

00:18:41.420 --> 00:18:43.400
the years that maybe they could get a hit on.

00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:47.500
However, if those things have happened, I do

00:18:47.500 --> 00:18:50.039
not know. Or if they have, there might not be

00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:54.400
any new information. Truly, it sounds like police

00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:57.619
think that this will only be solved when somebody

00:18:57.619 --> 00:19:01.200
comes forward with information that they've either

00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:04.380
been sitting on, a deathbed confession, or maybe

00:19:04.380 --> 00:19:06.460
something that's just jogged their memory in

00:19:06.460 --> 00:19:11.910
hearing Arthur's story being told. But that is

00:19:11.910 --> 00:19:15.029
truly all we know about the murder of Arthur

00:19:15.029 --> 00:19:19.470
James Williams Jr. So if you know anything about

00:19:19.470 --> 00:19:23.390
the murder of Arthur in April of 1985, please

00:19:23.390 --> 00:19:31.430
contact the LVMPD at 702 -828 -3521 or to give

00:19:31.430 --> 00:19:33.730
an anonymous tip, you can call Crime Stoppers

00:19:33.730 --> 00:19:42.069
at 702 -385 -5555. So that is the cold case of

00:19:42.069 --> 00:19:45.869
Arthur Williams Jr. I just wanted to start off

00:19:45.869 --> 00:19:51.730
talking a little bit about Arthur and just that,

00:19:51.849 --> 00:19:56.750
I mean, he was a child. The descriptors of him

00:19:56.750 --> 00:20:03.670
being happy and just a bright little soul wasn't

00:20:03.670 --> 00:20:08.279
shocking to me because he was so young. His personality

00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:12.000
was just beginning. And I'm really glad to know

00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:15.660
that his sister is still with us. And, you know,

00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:21.500
the way his family cared for him after his passing

00:20:21.500 --> 00:20:24.160
and the way they shared their son with people.

00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:27.039
And I'm talking in terms of the organ donation,

00:20:27.180 --> 00:20:30.380
I thought was so beautiful. But this was a really

00:20:30.380 --> 00:20:35.789
heartbreaking listen. I'm sure it will be for

00:20:35.789 --> 00:20:39.529
anyone else who's listening, but the amount of

00:20:39.529 --> 00:20:43.170
time that has passed, I just want to say I don't

00:20:43.170 --> 00:20:49.269
think it's impossible to solve this. So I'm talking

00:20:49.269 --> 00:20:53.029
about it from a hopeful perspective, even though

00:20:53.029 --> 00:20:56.829
it is truly devastating that Arthur is not here

00:20:56.829 --> 00:21:00.130
anymore. Yeah, that was so beautifully said.

00:21:01.600 --> 00:21:03.839
We, you know, of course, we'll have pictures

00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:07.200
of Arthur on our Instagram. And when you see

00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:10.400
like this, like just like beautiful, like, I

00:21:10.400 --> 00:21:11.720
don't know, three year olds. I know they're not

00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:13.380
technically babies, but I'm like, that's just

00:21:13.380 --> 00:21:16.619
a beautiful little baby. Like he's he's a baby

00:21:16.619 --> 00:21:21.440
to me. Like he's so little. And yeah, the the

00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:26.640
cruelty, the randomness. Of this just sense,

00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:29.420
senseless, completely senseless murder, like.

00:21:30.049 --> 00:21:32.549
I'm truly kind of at a loss of words when I think

00:21:32.549 --> 00:21:35.630
about this case because it's just senseless in

00:21:35.630 --> 00:21:39.349
every way that something can be senseless. The

00:21:39.349 --> 00:21:45.549
community behind this story, behind this heartbreaking

00:21:45.549 --> 00:21:51.609
story, I think is kind of heroic. And of course,

00:21:51.609 --> 00:21:54.329
along with his family, which we'll speak on a

00:21:54.329 --> 00:21:58.750
little bit later. First, just taking note of

00:21:58.750 --> 00:22:02.690
the community's response to hearing that they

00:22:02.690 --> 00:22:06.289
were referred to as a rough community, maybe

00:22:06.289 --> 00:22:10.230
rough around the edges, and that their response

00:22:10.230 --> 00:22:15.289
was, no, that's not who we are, and that they're

00:22:15.289 --> 00:22:17.210
a neighborhood and a community of people kind

00:22:17.210 --> 00:22:19.150
of building something together. And I really

00:22:19.150 --> 00:22:23.690
loved hearing that, that they had a willingness

00:22:23.690 --> 00:22:26.289
to defend themselves and pride in their own.

00:22:26.670 --> 00:22:30.190
I thought that that was really beautiful. And

00:22:30.190 --> 00:22:33.990
their response to Arthur's murder was pretty

00:22:33.990 --> 00:22:38.109
incredible too, down to the donations and the

00:22:38.109 --> 00:22:41.869
willingness of people to be a safe space for

00:22:41.869 --> 00:22:45.109
people to bring information to if they had it,

00:22:45.210 --> 00:22:48.230
and police response too within that community.

00:22:48.430 --> 00:22:51.990
Overall, I thought it was really positive, especially

00:22:51.990 --> 00:22:56.039
in comparison to what we've heard before. And

00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:59.500
especially for the time period, I was kind of

00:22:59.500 --> 00:23:01.599
surprised that it was taken as seriously as it

00:23:01.599 --> 00:23:05.079
was. And that's what gives me hope here, again,

00:23:05.180 --> 00:23:08.299
that there is a possibility that this case could

00:23:08.299 --> 00:23:10.680
be solved. Yeah, I think this case had to be

00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:15.619
taken seriously by everyone just because, like,

00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:19.269
truly how senseless it was. I feel like everybody,

00:23:19.450 --> 00:23:22.869
police, neighbors, community, Las Vegas as a

00:23:22.869 --> 00:23:25.829
whole was like, okay, let's get this guy. Like,

00:23:25.829 --> 00:23:30.430
this is a bad guy. Like, Las Vegas might have

00:23:30.430 --> 00:23:34.049
some shady people within it, but it seemed collectively

00:23:34.049 --> 00:23:36.630
everyone was like, this is a bad guy that we

00:23:36.630 --> 00:23:40.710
don't want here. And still, this man has just

00:23:40.710 --> 00:23:43.910
slipped through. It was completely random, which

00:23:43.910 --> 00:23:47.589
makes it, especially in 1985. very hard to solve

00:23:47.589 --> 00:23:49.130
you know there's no security cameras there's

00:23:49.130 --> 00:23:53.450
no cell phones there's no dash cams that you

00:23:53.450 --> 00:23:57.089
know there's just no little pieces to help the

00:23:57.089 --> 00:23:59.789
police like even start to try to figure out who

00:23:59.789 --> 00:24:04.589
this person is now i know we can't figure it

00:24:04.589 --> 00:24:07.930
out here on this podcast but what we can do is

00:24:07.930 --> 00:24:10.390
rewind a little bit and i just want to rewind

00:24:10.390 --> 00:24:13.240
to the beginning of the timeline which is when

00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:16.099
Arthur's mother is picking up Arthur and his

00:24:16.099 --> 00:24:20.680
sister from their dad's house. Now, since she's

00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:23.160
ending her work shift and they're picking up

00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:26.039
some dinner on the way home, that description

00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:30.039
sounded very familiar to me. My mom worked, and

00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:33.640
often when she would pick us up and my dad was

00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:37.039
still working, we would pick up some sort of

00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:40.759
fast food on the way home. And just the description

00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:43.400
of it all, the kids still wanting to play outside

00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:45.599
a little bit before the sun went down, all of

00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:50.180
it sounded very normal to me. Nothing that I

00:24:50.180 --> 00:24:53.359
wouldn't have done as a child myself. I think

00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:56.700
I had multiple nights like that as a kid. So

00:24:56.700 --> 00:25:02.240
everything to me sounded very normal and standard

00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:05.859
for this kind of night for them. Yeah. From all

00:25:05.859 --> 00:25:08.519
accounts, this was like a very typical night.

00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:12.240
You know, like I said in the beginning, Arthur's

00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:14.579
parents, you know, were They weren't together,

00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:17.359
but they were co -parenting great and lived just

00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:19.859
blocks from one another. So the kids were comfortable

00:25:19.859 --> 00:25:22.339
in this neighborhood. They knew the streets well.

00:25:22.420 --> 00:25:24.680
They knew people in between. Everybody kind of

00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:28.279
knew who they were. Yeah, like everything about

00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:32.000
it made sense down to like the kids not really

00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:33.519
wanting to eat in that moment. They want to go

00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:35.740
outside and play. So like, sure, go outside and

00:25:35.740 --> 00:25:38.819
play. You're a child. Have fun. Now, I know the

00:25:38.819 --> 00:25:42.099
timeline honestly kind of starts and ends here,

00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:47.990
but. a ton happens and one of the things that

00:25:47.990 --> 00:25:52.789
I I didn't really take note of it but because

00:25:52.789 --> 00:25:55.230
there was nothing to take note of but as I was

00:25:55.230 --> 00:25:59.769
listening to you if it felt like this man had

00:25:59.769 --> 00:26:02.230
appeared out of nowhere and I know he had been

00:26:02.230 --> 00:26:05.930
he had been sitting there watching them but to

00:26:05.930 --> 00:26:10.250
me maybe if he had been there even in the minutes

00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:14.019
prior as she was driving herself and the kids

00:26:14.019 --> 00:26:18.619
in after picking up the KFC, was he even there

00:26:18.619 --> 00:26:21.920
in those moments? It sounds like he appeared

00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:26.059
within minutes of the kids being out there, killed

00:26:26.059 --> 00:26:30.500
Arthur, and then vanished. Like, as mysteriously

00:26:30.500 --> 00:26:35.079
as he was there, then suddenly he was not. And

00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:39.039
that's the... That's the weirdest part of the

00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:43.559
story for me, or not the story, the oddest part

00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:47.500
of the crime is that this man seems so oddly

00:26:47.500 --> 00:26:51.259
placed. So some questions I have, I don't know

00:26:51.259 --> 00:26:53.559
if you'll be able to answer them, was, was he

00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:57.220
out of place? Was he someone who looked out of

00:26:57.220 --> 00:27:00.740
place within this community? Because if not,

00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:04.299
the sketches of this man show nothing that would

00:27:04.299 --> 00:27:08.809
set him apart. And by that, I mean, if he looks

00:27:08.809 --> 00:27:10.309
like someone who could have been in the community,

00:27:10.430 --> 00:27:13.309
the sketches aren't really going to say much.

00:27:13.690 --> 00:27:17.910
So I know I threw a lot at you there, and I'm

00:27:17.910 --> 00:27:20.529
going to let you just jump on now. I do think

00:27:20.529 --> 00:27:22.710
the man would have looked a little bit out of

00:27:22.710 --> 00:27:29.539
place in 1985 in this neighborhood. Was and mostly

00:27:29.539 --> 00:27:32.299
is still today, I believe, a black and brown

00:27:32.299 --> 00:27:35.099
neighborhood. Not a lot of white folks live there.

00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:37.619
So I think that this man would have seemed very

00:27:37.619 --> 00:27:41.759
out of place. And maybe that's why there are

00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:44.779
some witnesses who say they saw someone looking

00:27:44.779 --> 00:27:47.200
very similar about 15, 20 minutes before the

00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:52.599
crime. We don't know where neighbors. Might have

00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:55.519
seen him before it happened, like where in relation

00:27:55.519 --> 00:28:01.140
to the apartment he was seen. But yeah, I would

00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:04.220
be actually very curious to know if, you know,

00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:08.500
Annie or Arthur's sister had noticed the man

00:28:08.500 --> 00:28:10.599
when they had pulled up and gone into the apartment

00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:12.619
with the food, if they had seen the man there,

00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:16.359
because we know. 15 minutes before the murder,

00:28:16.579 --> 00:28:19.980
he's not there. The apartment manager had seen

00:28:19.980 --> 00:28:23.240
those other two men chase them off. So he wasn't

00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:26.079
sitting there at that time. And then when the

00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:29.119
kids come out, he's already on the wall. From

00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:32.599
my understanding, he's sitting there already.

00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:38.119
And Anglia sits away from him. And then he kind

00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:41.660
of stands up, says something to the effect of

00:28:41.660 --> 00:28:43.460
like, I'm going to hurt you or I'm going to kill

00:28:43.460 --> 00:28:47.319
him. makes a threatening statement for sure and

00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:51.599
then steps forward and murders Arthur. Yeah to

00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:54.619
me you know especially if he is someone that

00:28:54.619 --> 00:28:59.059
did not look similar to anyone else in the community

00:28:59.059 --> 00:29:03.460
I think that he was someone who was not part

00:29:03.460 --> 00:29:07.960
of the community and he also sounds like someone

00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:12.519
who was it's very easy to say evil and yes I

00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:15.230
believe part of that but just possibly out of

00:29:15.230 --> 00:29:20.609
his mind because, I mean, maybe I'm saying that

00:29:20.609 --> 00:29:22.509
because I can't make sense of what happened.

00:29:22.650 --> 00:29:26.369
So I must believe that, that he was out of his

00:29:26.369 --> 00:29:31.849
mind. I guess I wanted to know if you thought

00:29:31.849 --> 00:29:36.890
that the ex -boyfriend's possible involvement

00:29:36.890 --> 00:29:41.589
was worth anything. I know he was cleared by

00:29:41.589 --> 00:29:46.140
law enforcement. But he did make those threats

00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:52.000
towards her. And yeah, I don't know. I guess

00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:54.200
I wanted to just circle back on him as well.

00:29:55.099 --> 00:29:58.259
I think to answer that, I have to back up a little

00:29:58.259 --> 00:30:02.700
bit to just the suspect overall, the man that

00:30:02.700 --> 00:30:06.599
murdered Arthur. Because while we don't know

00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:09.700
a lot, there are a few things that we do know.

00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:13.309
Like he takes off running for one. He runs south

00:30:13.309 --> 00:30:16.390
through an alleyway. And if I'm not mistaken,

00:30:16.470 --> 00:30:23.730
that would lead towards the Las Vegas Strip,

00:30:23.730 --> 00:30:27.990
like the famous Strip. And this man is said to

00:30:27.990 --> 00:30:30.509
have some sort of European accent and thinking

00:30:30.509 --> 00:30:34.089
about Las Vegas and all the tourism that it attracts

00:30:34.089 --> 00:30:40.400
and the kind of. transient town that it already

00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:42.920
is because it's a you know it's a tourism town

00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:46.200
so people coming in and out i i think about that

00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:49.400
um how close they are to the strip the accent

00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:52.579
um all of that starts to get in my head about

00:30:52.579 --> 00:30:55.039
who this this person is and and he took off running

00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:58.140
he didn't get in a car so does he live nearby

00:30:58.140 --> 00:31:00.619
is he running to the strip is he going to a hotel

00:31:00.619 --> 00:31:02.779
is he visiting so that's why you know like that

00:31:02.779 --> 00:31:05.779
so that triggers those questions and then to

00:31:05.779 --> 00:31:10.180
come around to the ex -boyfriend he made multiple

00:31:10.180 --> 00:31:17.140
threats to Annie and had like oh I don't want

00:31:17.140 --> 00:31:19.380
to say a reason to be mad but you know we see

00:31:19.380 --> 00:31:21.960
this this evidence of like he's fired from his

00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.920
job and then a few weeks later her son is killed

00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:29.380
after he made threats against her so I think

00:31:29.380 --> 00:31:33.240
it's like worth talking to him again but I don't

00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:37.640
think he actually did the crime just because

00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:40.599
Arthur's sister didn't recognize him and police

00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:42.559
seemed confident that she would have recognized

00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:46.579
the mom's ex -boyfriend at that point so you

00:31:46.579 --> 00:31:49.359
know it's like I wonder could it be a murder

00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.700
for hire you know could you meet a tourist and

00:31:52.700 --> 00:31:54.480
you know they're kind of out of their mind and

00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:56.200
you talk them into doing this thing obviously

00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.319
that's all speculation we don't know but that's

00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:02.200
really just where my mind kind of circles on

00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:05.569
this a little bit is just How does that guy get

00:32:05.569 --> 00:32:09.210
to sitting on that wall at that time? Yeah, I

00:32:09.210 --> 00:32:15.170
mean, my mind theorized that as well. But because

00:32:15.170 --> 00:32:19.849
the crime, the senseless murder against Arthur,

00:32:20.049 --> 00:32:24.150
it seemed so chaotic to me that it couldn't possibly

00:32:24.150 --> 00:32:27.630
have been a murder for hire. But when I think

00:32:27.630 --> 00:32:31.680
about... Other cases we have looked at, not necessarily

00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:33.960
ones we've covered on the podcast, just ones

00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:36.900
you and I have taken an interest in in our own

00:32:36.900 --> 00:32:41.819
life. I've seen wilder murder for hires, for

00:32:41.819 --> 00:32:45.619
sure, especially in documentaries, any historical

00:32:45.619 --> 00:32:50.640
cases. So it's completely possible. But again,

00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:56.420
I recognize that that's our theories. I just

00:32:56.420 --> 00:33:00.000
wanted to circle back again. Because there's

00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:04.859
DNA in this case or possible DNA. So to me, that

00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:07.380
means that everything gets looked at again. Everything

00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:10.359
that was looked at the first time needs a second

00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:13.220
and fresh eye and new things need to be looked

00:33:13.220 --> 00:33:16.420
at as well. But for me, this includes the ex

00:33:16.420 --> 00:33:20.200
-boyfriend that maybe he needs to be questioned

00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:23.960
again. Yeah, I think re -questioning people is

00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.579
always great. Just how has your story changed

00:33:26.579 --> 00:33:29.559
over the years if it's changed, right? And then,

00:33:29.619 --> 00:33:33.880
yes, DNA. When I was listening to this interview

00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:35.779
and I heard that they never tested the blood,

00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:37.539
my first thought was like, well, what if the

00:33:37.539 --> 00:33:40.000
guy accidentally cut himself? You hear about

00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:44.779
that a lot in crimes that involve stabbing. While

00:33:44.779 --> 00:33:48.559
it was just one wound that was inflicted on Arthur,

00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:51.880
there's still that possibility that, you know,

00:33:51.900 --> 00:33:54.799
an abrupt stop, we don't know exactly where,

00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.589
you know, a knife is going to stop moving. Your

00:33:57.589 --> 00:33:59.589
hand slips, you cut yourself a little bit, that

00:33:59.589 --> 00:34:03.309
gets mixed up in the chaos. So testing it in

00:34:03.309 --> 00:34:06.269
2025, or if it hasn't been tested yet, 2026,

00:34:06.349 --> 00:34:10.630
with very sensitive, sophisticated DNA tests,

00:34:10.789 --> 00:34:16.110
I think is a great shot. And if we get a DNA

00:34:16.110 --> 00:34:19.670
match or a DNA hit that's not Arthur, I think

00:34:19.670 --> 00:34:22.309
that can really blow this case wide open. And

00:34:22.309 --> 00:34:28.090
I hope that testing is... still being done I'm

00:34:28.090 --> 00:34:31.469
hanging a lot of hope on it yeah I am as well

00:34:31.469 --> 00:34:35.550
I really hope that if this DNA is looked at that

00:34:35.550 --> 00:34:39.050
it's on Arthur's side that it's on the justice

00:34:39.050 --> 00:34:43.449
of Arthur's side for for him for his sister for

00:34:43.449 --> 00:34:45.429
his mother for his father for his whole family

00:34:45.429 --> 00:34:49.550
and for that community yeah all of Arthur's family

00:34:49.550 --> 00:34:53.789
deserve answers in this case and whoever did

00:34:53.789 --> 00:34:58.380
this to this little boy this baby needs to be

00:34:58.380 --> 00:35:01.900
needs to answer for it they need to be held accountable

00:35:01.900 --> 00:35:06.539
nobody I it feels so wrong in my body that this

00:35:06.539 --> 00:35:09.940
person has just gone through life for the last

00:35:09.940 --> 00:35:15.900
40 plus years without having to answer for this

00:35:15.900 --> 00:35:19.480
so desperately desperately desperately want to

00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:21.980
see this case solved for Arthur and his family

00:35:21.980 --> 00:35:25.909
so again If you know anything about the murder

00:35:25.909 --> 00:35:31.429
of Arthur Williams Jr., please contact the LVMPD

00:35:31.429 --> 00:35:36.730
at 702 -828 -3521 or to give an anonymous tip,

00:35:36.969 --> 00:35:42.289
you can call Crime Stoppers at 702 -385 -5555.

00:35:43.210 --> 00:35:45.329
Like I mentioned throughout the podcast, we'll

00:35:45.329 --> 00:35:48.570
have that beautiful picture of Arthur on our

00:35:48.570 --> 00:35:50.869
Instagram at coldandmissing. And we'll also have

00:35:50.869 --> 00:35:53.670
the two suspect sketches. Again, like I mentioned,

00:35:53.730 --> 00:35:57.070
one is very detailed. The other is not as detailed.

00:35:57.150 --> 00:36:00.230
But police. Still today on their website have

00:36:00.230 --> 00:36:02.849
both of these composites together. So I want

00:36:02.849 --> 00:36:05.710
to put them both out there. You never know what's

00:36:05.710 --> 00:36:07.489
going to jog someone's memory. So all of those

00:36:07.489 --> 00:36:09.769
can be found on our website at Cold and Missing.

00:36:09.769 --> 00:36:13.409
And please share those. Let's get energy behind

00:36:13.409 --> 00:36:16.409
Arthur's case. I feel the movement, like the

00:36:16.409 --> 00:36:19.030
Las Vegas Metropolitan Police, they want to solve

00:36:19.030 --> 00:36:21.309
this case. They want this case off their books.

00:36:21.369 --> 00:36:24.050
They want answers here. The family wants answers.

00:36:24.269 --> 00:36:27.789
Let's give the... the energy to this case and

00:36:27.789 --> 00:36:31.550
let everyone know we haven't forgotten about

00:36:31.550 --> 00:36:35.090
Arthur. We want answers here. Another way that

00:36:35.090 --> 00:36:37.590
you can help us spread the word, get the message

00:36:37.590 --> 00:36:39.789
out about this cold case and other cold cases

00:36:39.789 --> 00:36:42.449
is leaving us a five -star review. It goes a

00:36:42.449 --> 00:36:45.329
long way in feeding that algorithm machine that

00:36:45.329 --> 00:36:49.590
we all have to deal with. So five stars really

00:36:49.590 --> 00:36:52.190
gets people to listen to this podcast, give us

00:36:52.190 --> 00:36:55.980
a shot. hear cases like this. So if you've never

00:36:55.980 --> 00:36:59.059
heard of Arthur's case before, please go give

00:36:59.059 --> 00:37:02.840
us a five -star rating and get this case out

00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:04.980
there. Get Cold and Missing out there so more

00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:07.739
people are talking about it. I can't believe

00:37:07.739 --> 00:37:11.199
I never heard of this case before. I think everyone

00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:12.760
should be talking about this so we can get it

00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:17.280
solved. And if you or someone you love is hard

00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:19.800
of hearing, we have... official transcripts on

00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:23.360
our website, www .coldandmissing .com. You can

00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:27.300
also contact us there and you can find all of

00:37:27.300 --> 00:37:29.039
our old episodes there as well. It's a great

00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:30.619
resource. If you want to connect, if you want

00:37:30.619 --> 00:37:34.039
to find other things, visit us at www .coldandmissing

00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:36.880
.com. But that's all I have for you today. Thank

00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:38.739
you so much for listening to Cold and Missing.

00:37:38.900 --> 00:37:41.659
I'm your host, Ali. And I'm your co -host,

00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:44.159
Eli. Have a good week and stay safe, y 'all.

00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:50.099
Stay safe, y 'all. Thank you.