Cold and Missing: Anthonette Cayedito

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,780 The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts. 2 00:00:13,780 --> 00:00:18,400 All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,160 Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages. 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,560 Listener discretion is advised. 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,280 I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski. 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,680 And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski. 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,560 And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases. 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,200 Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing. 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,940 I'm your host, Ali, and it'll just be me coming to you this week. 10 00:00:41,940 --> 00:00:46,040 My wonderfully handsome co-host, Eli, is not here right now. 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,280 I'm actually recording this kind of late, so he's already in bed. 12 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:55,160 So I was a little behind this week as far as getting my script done on time. 13 00:00:55,160 --> 00:01:01,720 But I still wanted to bring you a new episode, and today we are on a missing person case. 14 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:07,080 And just as a bit of a content warning, this case does involve a young person. 15 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,960 Today we are talking about the missing person case of Anthonette Cayedito. 16 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:17,240 And this takes place in April of 1986 in Gallup, New Mexico. 17 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,800 But first, a little bit about Anthonette. 18 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,640 Anthonette is nine years old in 1986. 19 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:30,120 She was born on Christmas Day 1976, and she would be 47 years old today. 20 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:35,880 Anthonette had two younger sisters, Sadie or Sedina and Wendy. 21 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,600 And Anthonette doted after these two. 22 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,800 They were all raised by their mother, Penny Cayedito. 23 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,880 And according to her sisters, Anthonette would take care of them in a lot of ways. 24 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,800 She was always dependable. 25 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:52,040 She would feed them, iron their clothes for the week, and just kind of be 26 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:57,240 a really incredible older sister and a wonderful daughter to her mother. 27 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:03,720 Anthonette at this time is four foot seven, 55 pounds, and has brown eyes with brown hair. 28 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,600 She's a part of the Navajo Nation. 29 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:13,320 Her family called her Squirrel and often commented that she was nine years old going on 15. 30 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,760 And now the timeline of events. 31 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:24,040 So on Saturday, April 5th, 1986, Penny is going out for the night with friends. 32 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:29,640 A babysitter comes over to watch the girls while Penny has her night out on the town. 33 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:32,280 It's reported that she's just going to a local bar. 34 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:37,640 Even though Anthonette takes care of her sisters, her mother always left them with an adult if she 35 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:40,280 was going to be out for an extended period of time. 36 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:45,240 Penny returns home around midnight on Sunday, April 6th, so this would be the next day. 37 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,960 She sends the babysitter home and settles in for the night. 38 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:54,520 Anthonette, Sadie, and Wendy all have their own rooms, but they all choose to sleep in their mom's room with her. 39 00:02:54,520 --> 00:03:01,720 So when Penny arrives home, Anthonette is woken up and her and her mother stay up chatting until around 3 a.m. 40 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,120 when they all finally fall asleep. 41 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,000 Sadie recalls that someone knocked on the front door. 42 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:13,720 Her and Anthonette get up, but they don't recognize or respond to the man outside, 43 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,040 and they go back to bed. 44 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:22,680 It's unclear how long after, but Sadie and Anthonette hear another knock on the front door. 45 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:29,160 This time only Anthonette gets up, in her pink nightgown, and Sadie stays in bed and falls back asleep. 46 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:39,960 A neighbor recalled that between 6.30 and 7 a.m., she saw an older model brown truck with New Mexico license plates pull up outside of the Cayedito home. 47 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:45,960 The neighbor saw a man approach the front door, but she didn't pay too much attention to him at that time. 48 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:51,720 Around 7 a.m., Penny gets up and starts to wake up her daughters so they can get ready for Bible school. 49 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,160 Penny notices that Anthonette is not in the bed. 50 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,360 She gets up and looks around the house for her. 51 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:03,240 Nothing is missing of Anthonette's except her pink nightgown that she wore to bed. 52 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,080 Her mother Penny says, quote, 53 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:11,320 All her coats are there and her shoes are both there. I can just tell she didn't dress. End quote. 54 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:17,960 Near the front door, there are no signs of a struggle, but both the front door and the screen door are unlocked, 55 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,560 and Penny is sure that they were both locked when she went to bed. 56 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:27,480 Penny takes Sadie and Wendy out in their PJs and begins to walk around the neighborhood 57 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:33,240 and knock on all of the neighbor's doors to see if they have seen Anthonette or have heard anything. 58 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,960 Penny finally calls the police around 11 a.m. to report Antonette missing, 59 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:42,520 but police tell her she has to wait eight hours before she can make a report. 60 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,200 Penny calls her ex, Larry Estrada, to come help search, 61 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:51,080 and family and friends all turn up to search the neighborhood and nearby vacant land, 62 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,320 but they don't turn up any clues. 63 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:58,760 Police officially seem to get involved either late Sunday night or early Monday morning, 64 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,920 but for sure by Monday, April 6th, police are searching the neighborhood. 65 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,120 But it'll take around four days to search the home, 66 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:12,280 and by this time, a lot of family and friends have come through the home and kind of contaminated the scene. 67 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:17,880 On Wednesday, April 9th, Antonette has been missing for three days. 68 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,000 Gallup police call off their official search. 69 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,840 Police say that they are awaiting further leads in her disappearance, 70 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:29,800 but a $500 reward is announced for any information leading to her. 71 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,840 The next day, police have come up with a plan, and they are going to backtrack 72 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:38,200 and re-question family, friends, and neighbors. 73 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,360 Police do say that they are getting leads, 74 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,440 but they are having trouble tracking down everyone in Anthonette's life. 75 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,280 Detective Danny Ross says, quote, 76 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,960 We have to look at it as an abduction now. 77 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,760 If she had gone with someone willingly, contact would have been made by someone by now. 78 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:56,840 We're starting at ground zero. 79 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:57,960 End quote. 80 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,400 Anthonette's parents believe that she went with someone she knew. 81 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,920 Her parents are sure that she would not open the door for anyone that she didn't know. 82 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,000 Anthonette's dad says, quote, 83 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,000 It's like she just vanished. 84 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:12,840 It's unbelievable to me. 85 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:17,640 You hear of kids being taken from some public place, but not from their own home. 86 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:18,600 End quote. 87 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,000 Anthonette's family has gone door to door, joined police searches, 88 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,240 and distributed flyers in hopes to get some leads and clues on what. 89 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:28,520 Happened to Anthonette. 90 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:34,840 The next big update that I could find comes from June 22nd of 1986. 91 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:40,120 So Anthonette has been missing for about two and a half months at this point. 92 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,840 Police are baffled by her disappearance. 93 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:45,480 Police Chief Frank Gonzalez says, quote, 94 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:46,920 There wasn't a trace. 95 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,600 If there had been anything, we would have found something the next day. 96 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:51,720 End quote. 97 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,360 Police say they have polygraphed the family, 98 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,400 and it is reported that they all passed. 99 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,000 Now later, they will say that Penny failed her polygraph, 100 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,640 but it is initially reported that all family passed the polygraph test. 101 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,840 During this two and a half months, Penny gets a telephone installed in her home. 102 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,840 She hadn't had one prior to this, 103 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:17,000 but she doesn't want to miss any updates or news about her daughter. 104 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,040 Penny says, quote, 105 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,800 I know she's alive out there. 106 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,000 I just know that. 107 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,520 My mother's intuition. 108 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,920 I'm depending on Anthonette to get away, to somehow get a message to us. 109 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:27,960 End quote. 110 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,800 And with that, on April 12th, 1987, 111 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,880 so it's been a full year now since Anthonette disappeared, 112 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,000 Gallup police get a phone call to their station, 113 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,200 not 911, but their non-emergency line. 114 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,440 The phone call is automatically recorded, 115 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:49,080 and according to reports, there was a 40-second phone call from Anthonette. 116 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,680 She identified herself as Anthonette Cayedito, 117 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,360 and that she was an Albuquerque. 118 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:59,960 As she's talking, a man curses and demands who gave her permission to use the phone. 119 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:05,320 Another voice is heard, possibly an older person asking who is on the line. 120 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,080 More cursing from the man and a child sobbing can all be heard. 121 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:17,000 Now, if you research this case, you will find audio of what is supposed to be this phone call, 122 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:24,360 it's very easy to find, you just have to type in Anthonette Cayedito 911 call or police phone call, 123 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,080 like it'll pop right up, it's very easy to find. 124 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:35,880 But I'm not entirely sure that that recording is the official recording that police released. 125 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,400 For one, every example that I could find of it, 126 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:45,320 at the end, it all has this like music, like kind of just like generic YouTube video, 127 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,360 just like generic YouTube music underneath it. 128 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:54,840 And then it kind of sounds like a sound effect of like a line going dead, or like the dialing tone. 129 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,680 But it doesn't really follow this script that is initially reported, 130 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:02,360 like it does to a certain extent, but you don't hear another voice, 131 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:07,320 you don't really hear more cursing, there's not a lot happening that you can hear. 132 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,320 So I couldn't verify it, I couldn't find any, you know, 133 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:18,440 newspapers or local news who played this, this clip, this audio, 134 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,400 and reported it as Anthonette's phone call. 135 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:26,200 And I couldn't find any investigation agency also putting it out there. 136 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:32,360 But we do know that in 1989, police do play the call on the radio to try to generate leads. 137 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,240 So I say all that to say that it could be the phone call. 138 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,400 But since I couldn't necessarily verify it, I'm not going to play it here on the podcast. 139 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:43,960 But back to the timeline. 140 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:49,560 So when police play the recording for Penny, she immediately believes that it is Antonette's. 141 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:51,720 She says, quote, it was her voice. 142 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,000 I would know my baby's voice anywhere, end quote. 143 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,400 Penny believes that Anthonette's is alive. 144 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,680 And for the people who are holding her captive, she says, quote, 145 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:03,080 I don't think they mean to harm her. 146 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,280 I think they just don't know how to give her back without getting in trouble. 147 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:06,840 End quote. 148 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:13,240 In December of 1987, which should have been Anthonette's 11th birthday, 149 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,960 and she's been missing for around 20 months now, 150 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:21,000 police say that there have been sightings of Anthonette's from all over the United States. 151 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:26,200 Police and the FBI look into these sightings and most are quickly dismissed. 152 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,200 Police have been unable to rule anyone out as a suspect, 153 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,200 and police do believe that some family members have not been forthcoming 154 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,600 with all the information that they may know. 155 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,560 Police say they are restarting the case from square one. 156 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:43,480 Detective Amos Hinshaw says, quote, this is the third or fourth time 157 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,320 we have started over at square one looking for something new, end quote. 158 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:53,160 Sadie is now telling police that on the day that Anthonette disappeared, 159 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:58,680 that morning hour between 3 a.m. and 7 a.m., Sadie is now saying that there was a man 160 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:03,240 and a woman at the door, and they ID'd themselves as an aunt and uncle. 161 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:08,680 She says, quote, they said, hurry up, we're cold out here, open the door, end quote. 162 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:14,520 As I just mentioned, police do release Anthonette's phone call in January of 1989 163 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,200 on the local radio, and this does generate some leads. 164 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:22,280 Investigators feel that they have no other options at this point, 165 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:27,000 but to release the audio since they are out of leads, they have nowhere to turn, 166 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,760 and Anthonette has been missing for almost three years now. 167 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,920 Police didn't want to release it any sooner because they worried that the child 168 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:40,600 would have gotten in trouble if that man that can be heard on the audio figured out 169 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:45,560 that she did call police. Police did believe there was a chance that the person didn't know 170 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:53,560 it was a police line that she had called. In 1990, a waitress in Carson City, Nevada 171 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:59,400 is waiting on a couple that has a teenage girl with them, and she describes them as uncapped. 172 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:07,400 Anthonette at this time would be around 13 or 14 years old, so the description of like a teenager 173 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:12,920 being there does match and does fit up. The teenage girl kept dropping her fork, 174 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,920 and when the waitress would get it for her, the girl would squeeze her hand. 175 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:22,920 After they left, the server found a napkin under the girl's plate that said, help me, call police. 176 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:28,120 It's not clear how Anthonette gets associated with this encounter, but it does seem like she 177 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:34,920 recognized the girl as Anthonette later. Anthonette's case appears to fall out of the media until around 178 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:42,760 2016. Anthonette's youngest sister, Wendy, looks back 30 years and says, quote, I remember the police 179 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,640 asking me what happened, and I had thought then that it was one of our uncles at the door. 180 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:54,200 That turned out not to be true. Really, I'm not sure what happened to her, end quote. Penny had 181 00:12:54,200 --> 00:13:00,120 passed away in the late 90s, but police do suggest in recent reports that she knew more than what she 182 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:05,160 told them and that she did in fact fail the polygraph test, as I had mentioned previously. 183 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:11,080 Now, if you are to research this case on your own after this podcast or maybe during this podcast, 184 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:16,680 if you're multitasking, I have read about some other rumors in the case that I just couldn't 185 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:22,760 verify and I didn't see any like news outlets reporting on, so I'm not sure what happened. 186 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:29,400 I'll just kind of mention them briefly here, but years later, Wendy will say that she did witness 187 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:36,440 the abduction and that she saw two men grab Antonette and like kind of pull her outside from 188 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:42,120 her standing at the door, kind of answering the door. So that's one story that's kind of popped up 189 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,920 over the internet, but I couldn't find the origin of it. I wasn't sure where that came from. And 190 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:55,640 another rumor is that Penny was involved with the planning and kidnapping of her daughter. 191 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:01,320 Now, police do seem a little suspicious that Penny isn't telling them everything that she may know, 192 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:11,160 but they never publicly accuse her of setting up her daughter's disappearance or name her 193 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:16,360 officially as a suspect. They just can't rule her out, but they've never been able to rule anybody 194 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:22,920 out in this case, so that's kind of where that stands for those two items. But if you know 195 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:30,120 anything about the disappearance of Anthonette Cayedito in April of 1986 or her whereabouts today, 196 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:39,640 please call the Gallup Police Department at 505-863-9365. And the sources for the timeline today 197 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,800 come from the Albuquerque Journal, which really covered a lot of the story and where I got a lot 198 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:53,800 of my articles, the Santa Fe New Mexican, and QRQE News. So that is the case and timeline of 199 00:14:53,800 --> 00:15:01,080 Anthonette Cayedito. And this case is pretty well covered. I noticed it had been covered by 200 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:06,440 a lot of podcasts, a lot of blogs. There's a lot of reports out there, which is why I'm a little 201 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:12,520 cautious about reporting those rumors or slipping those into the timeline. I try to just keep the 202 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:19,080 timeline to the facts that I've been able to kind of verify and look up in research. But this case, 203 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:26,680 I think, is so popular because of this phone call aspect that Anthonette called almost a year to the 204 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:35,160 date, the non-emergency police number at the police station to kind of say, to identify herself and 205 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:41,720 say that she's an Albuquerque and then there's some sort of commotion with the man. Another 206 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:48,280 person is maybe heard in the background. And as I mentioned in the timeline, there is a recording 207 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:53,640 floating out there on the internet. But again, I just couldn't find the origin of this phone call. 208 00:15:53,640 --> 00:16:00,680 So I didn't know if it was, you know, maybe actors recreating it. If it is the actual audio, 209 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:07,480 we know the police did release the audio at some point. I tried to email the Gallup Police 210 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:12,440 Department to see if I could get a copy of this, but as of today, I haven't gotten a response. So 211 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:20,440 that's fine. I will update, of course, if I get one. But I would be very interested to hear 212 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:28,840 that phone call and to really know what's being said there. And it's just like 213 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:37,400 the validity of it. Police say that they were unable to trace that phone call. And unfortunately, 214 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:43,720 it's something that we see a lot in these cold cases, things that drag on year over year is that 215 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:51,800 some people will just kind of be especially cruel and like call the parents and say that they have 216 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,960 them, they've seen them, you know, just like those cruel jokes. And unfortunately, it's something that 217 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:03,720 we hear about quite a bit. So is it that like someone just being like really cruel? I'm not sure. 218 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:10,120 But I would be interested in really hearing that phone call if it's not the one that you can find 219 00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:20,200 online. But another kind of question that I have is all these sightings of Antonette's across the 220 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:25,800 United States. There's, I think, like five different states where there are reports of her coming in, 221 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:32,760 and, you know, FBI are able to rule a lot of those out. But then we have this waitress' store 222 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:40,120 of this teenage girl with this couple that leaves the note that says, Please help call police. Like, 223 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:46,520 what happened there, you know, regardless of if it's if it's Anthonette or not, I would just be 224 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:52,120 curious what exactly is happening there, because it seemed like the girl needed help one way or the 225 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:59,160 other. And I hope she got it, you know, wherever she is today. Yeah, this case, you know, kind of 226 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:05,080 kept bringing up hope for the family that they were going to be able to bring Antonette home, 227 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:11,720 you know, with the phone call and all these sightings. I just feel really bad for her family, 228 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:16,440 her mother, her sisters. They were such a close unit, but it really seems like her disappearance, 229 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:23,000 you know, caused a very deep wound in everybody that took a long time to heal, which I think is 230 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:29,320 really understandable. And I can't imagine the roller coaster that the family would go through of 231 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:36,280 feeling her absence very loudly, but then also getting these glimmers of hope that she is alive. 232 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,760 She's trying to get a message out. Like she's trying to call for help. Like, we're going to 233 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:46,920 bring her home any day now. Like, those like roller coasters of emotions of like highs and lows, like, 234 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:53,720 I really want peace for this family and justice for them and answers for them. They deserve to know 235 00:18:53,720 --> 00:19:02,120 what happened to their sister. It's really unfortunate that it felt like police really 236 00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:09,560 waited and kind of dropped the ball in those first, you know, very critical 48 hours, like, 237 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:15,240 just telling Penny that she had to wait eight hours before she could report her daughter missing. 238 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:21,080 You know, she had already waited. It was seven to 11, you know, like that was already a chunk of time 239 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:25,960 to figure out she's not in the neighborhood. She's not in the house. She's not, you know, 240 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:31,720 she's not anywhere. We need to get searching and, you know, the family and friends come together 241 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:37,640 and do search. But, you know, you can't help but wonder, like, did they miss something? Did they 242 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:45,160 miss something? Did they maybe contaminate a scene or evidence? Like, all of these people searching 243 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:50,200 and probably in a very heightened state of emotion kind of frantically searching, like, 244 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:56,520 was something missed? Was something ignored, stepped on? Like, you know, was there, you know, 245 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:01,000 shuffles in the grass or like, you know, an indentation indicating a struggle that people 246 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,480 just didn't notice because they're looking, they're not looking for those little, little details. 247 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:12,920 They're looking for the big obvious, where is Anthonette? You know, but yeah, I really hope that 248 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:18,040 this family gets answers because it's been a very long time. And, you know, in the beginning, 249 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,280 the police didn't really take it all that seriously. But more recently, you know, 250 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:29,160 I mentioned 2016 is kind of when it re-emerges in the media. And that is directly because of 251 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:34,280 the Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women Movement, which we've talked about on this podcast before. 252 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:39,320 You know, that advocacy work and talking about these cases that don't get a lot of coverage 253 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:47,400 does help them get attention at police departments. So really, thank you for being here and thank you 254 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:52,920 for listening to stories like Anthonette's because it really does help and it helps put pressure on 255 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:58,680 police to solve it and to put resources towards this case. So you're, you know, this is kind of 256 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:05,080 the work too. So I appreciate you being here. 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