Transcript
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The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts.
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All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
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Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages.
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Listener discretion is advised.
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I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski.
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And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski.
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And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases.
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Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing.
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I'm your host, Ali, and it'll just be me coming to you this week.
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My wonderfully handsome co-host, Eli, is not here right now.
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I'm actually recording this kind of late, so he's already in bed.
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So I was a little behind this week as far as getting my script done on time.
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But I still wanted to bring you a new episode, and today we are on a missing person case.
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And just as a bit of a content warning, this case does involve a young person.
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Today we are talking about the missing person case of Anthonette Cayedito.
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And this takes place in April of 1986 in Gallup, New Mexico.
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But first, a little bit about Anthonette.
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Anthonette is nine years old in 1986.
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She was born on Christmas Day 1976, and she would be 47 years old today.
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Anthonette had two younger sisters, Sadie or Sedina and Wendy.
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And Anthonette doted after these two.
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They were all raised by their mother, Penny Cayedito.
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And according to her sisters, Anthonette would take care of them in a lot of ways.
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She was always dependable.
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She would feed them, iron their clothes for the week, and just kind of be
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a really incredible older sister and a wonderful daughter to her mother.
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Anthonette at this time is four foot seven, 55 pounds, and has brown eyes with brown hair.
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She's a part of the Navajo Nation.
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Her family called her Squirrel and often commented that she was nine years old going on 15.
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And now the timeline of events.
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So on Saturday, April 5th, 1986, Penny is going out for the night with friends.
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A babysitter comes over to watch the girls while Penny has her night out on the town.
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It's reported that she's just going to a local bar.
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Even though Anthonette takes care of her sisters, her mother always left them with an adult if she
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was going to be out for an extended period of time.
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Penny returns home around midnight on Sunday, April 6th, so this would be the next day.
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She sends the babysitter home and settles in for the night.
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Anthonette, Sadie, and Wendy all have their own rooms, but they all choose to sleep in their mom's room with her.
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So when Penny arrives home, Anthonette is woken up and her and her mother stay up chatting until around 3 a.m.
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when they all finally fall asleep.
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Sadie recalls that someone knocked on the front door.
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Her and Anthonette get up, but they don't recognize or respond to the man outside,
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and they go back to bed.
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It's unclear how long after, but Sadie and Anthonette hear another knock on the front door.
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This time only Anthonette gets up, in her pink nightgown, and Sadie stays in bed and falls back asleep.
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A neighbor recalled that between 6.30 and 7 a.m., she saw an older model brown truck with New Mexico license plates pull up outside of the Cayedito home.
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The neighbor saw a man approach the front door, but she didn't pay too much attention to him at that time.
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Around 7 a.m., Penny gets up and starts to wake up her daughters so they can get ready for Bible school.
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Penny notices that Anthonette is not in the bed.
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She gets up and looks around the house for her.
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Nothing is missing of Anthonette's except her pink nightgown that she wore to bed.
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Her mother Penny says, quote,
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All her coats are there and her shoes are both there. I can just tell she didn't dress. End quote.
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Near the front door, there are no signs of a struggle, but both the front door and the screen door are unlocked,
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and Penny is sure that they were both locked when she went to bed.
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Penny takes Sadie and Wendy out in their PJs and begins to walk around the neighborhood
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and knock on all of the neighbor's doors to see if they have seen Anthonette or have heard anything.
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Penny finally calls the police around 11 a.m. to report Antonette missing,
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but police tell her she has to wait eight hours before she can make a report.
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Penny calls her ex, Larry Estrada, to come help search,
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and family and friends all turn up to search the neighborhood and nearby vacant land,
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but they don't turn up any clues.
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Police officially seem to get involved either late Sunday night or early Monday morning,
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but for sure by Monday, April 6th, police are searching the neighborhood.
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But it'll take around four days to search the home,
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and by this time, a lot of family and friends have come through the home and kind of contaminated the scene.
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On Wednesday, April 9th, Antonette has been missing for three days.
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Gallup police call off their official search.
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Police say that they are awaiting further leads in her disappearance,
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but a $500 reward is announced for any information leading to her.
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The next day, police have come up with a plan, and they are going to backtrack
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and re-question family, friends, and neighbors.
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Police do say that they are getting leads,
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but they are having trouble tracking down everyone in Anthonette's life.
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Detective Danny Ross says, quote,
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We have to look at it as an abduction now.
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If she had gone with someone willingly, contact would have been made by someone by now.
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We're starting at ground zero.
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End quote.
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Anthonette's parents believe that she went with someone she knew.
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Her parents are sure that she would not open the door for anyone that she didn't know.
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Anthonette's dad says, quote,
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It's like she just vanished.
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It's unbelievable to me.
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You hear of kids being taken from some public place, but not from their own home.
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Anthonette's family has gone door to door, joined police searches,
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and distributed flyers in hopes to get some leads and clues on what.
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Happened to Anthonette.
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The next big update that I could find comes from June 22nd of 1986.
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So Anthonette has been missing for about two and a half months at this point.
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Police are baffled by her disappearance.
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Police Chief Frank Gonzalez says, quote,
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There wasn't a trace.
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If there had been anything, we would have found something the next day.
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End quote.
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Police say they have polygraphed the family,
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and it is reported that they all passed.
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Now later, they will say that Penny failed her polygraph,
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but it is initially reported that all family passed the polygraph test.
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During this two and a half months, Penny gets a telephone installed in her home.
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She hadn't had one prior to this,
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but she doesn't want to miss any updates or news about her daughter.
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Penny says, quote,
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I know she's alive out there.
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I just know that.
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My mother's intuition.
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I'm depending on Anthonette to get away, to somehow get a message to us.
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End quote.
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And with that, on April 12th, 1987,
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so it's been a full year now since Anthonette disappeared,
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Gallup police get a phone call to their station,
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not 911, but their non-emergency line.
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The phone call is automatically recorded,
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and according to reports, there was a 40-second phone call from Anthonette.
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She identified herself as Anthonette Cayedito,
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and that she was an Albuquerque.
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As she's talking, a man curses and demands who gave her permission to use the phone.
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Another voice is heard, possibly an older person asking who is on the line.
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More cursing from the man and a child sobbing can all be heard.
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Now, if you research this case, you will find audio of what is supposed to be this phone call,
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it's very easy to find, you just have to type in Anthonette Cayedito 911 call or police phone call,
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like it'll pop right up, it's very easy to find.
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But I'm not entirely sure that that recording is the official recording that police released.
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For one, every example that I could find of it,
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at the end, it all has this like music, like kind of just like generic YouTube video,
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just like generic YouTube music underneath it.
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And then it kind of sounds like a sound effect of like a line going dead, or like the dialing tone.
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But it doesn't really follow this script that is initially reported,
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like it does to a certain extent, but you don't hear another voice,
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you don't really hear more cursing, there's not a lot happening that you can hear.
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So I couldn't verify it, I couldn't find any, you know,
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newspapers or local news who played this, this clip, this audio,
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and reported it as Anthonette's phone call.
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And I couldn't find any investigation agency also putting it out there.
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But we do know that in 1989, police do play the call on the radio to try to generate leads.
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So I say all that to say that it could be the phone call.
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But since I couldn't necessarily verify it, I'm not going to play it here on the podcast.
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But back to the timeline.
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So when police play the recording for Penny, she immediately believes that it is Antonette's.
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She says, quote, it was her voice.
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I would know my baby's voice anywhere, end quote.
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Penny believes that Anthonette's is alive.
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And for the people who are holding her captive, she says, quote,
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I don't think they mean to harm her.
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I think they just don't know how to give her back without getting in trouble.
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End quote.
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In December of 1987, which should have been Anthonette's 11th birthday,
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and she's been missing for around 20 months now,
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police say that there have been sightings of Anthonette's from all over the United States.
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Police and the FBI look into these sightings and most are quickly dismissed.
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Police have been unable to rule anyone out as a suspect,
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and police do believe that some family members have not been forthcoming
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with all the information that they may know.
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Police say they are restarting the case from square one.
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Detective Amos Hinshaw says, quote, this is the third or fourth time
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we have started over at square one looking for something new, end quote.
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Sadie is now telling police that on the day that Anthonette disappeared,
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that morning hour between 3 a.m. and 7 a.m., Sadie is now saying that there was a man
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and a woman at the door, and they ID'd themselves as an aunt and uncle.
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She says, quote, they said, hurry up, we're cold out here, open the door, end quote.
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As I just mentioned, police do release Anthonette's phone call in January of 1989
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on the local radio, and this does generate some leads.
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Investigators feel that they have no other options at this point,
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but to release the audio since they are out of leads, they have nowhere to turn,
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and Anthonette has been missing for almost three years now.
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Police didn't want to release it any sooner because they worried that the child
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would have gotten in trouble if that man that can be heard on the audio figured out
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that she did call police. Police did believe there was a chance that the person didn't know
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it was a police line that she had called. In 1990, a waitress in Carson City, Nevada
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is waiting on a couple that has a teenage girl with them, and she describes them as uncapped.
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Anthonette at this time would be around 13 or 14 years old, so the description of like a teenager
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being there does match and does fit up. The teenage girl kept dropping her fork,
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and when the waitress would get it for her, the girl would squeeze her hand.
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After they left, the server found a napkin under the girl's plate that said, help me, call police.
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It's not clear how Anthonette gets associated with this encounter, but it does seem like she
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recognized the girl as Anthonette later. Anthonette's case appears to fall out of the media until around
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2016. Anthonette's youngest sister, Wendy, looks back 30 years and says, quote, I remember the police
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asking me what happened, and I had thought then that it was one of our uncles at the door.
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That turned out not to be true. Really, I'm not sure what happened to her, end quote. Penny had
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passed away in the late 90s, but police do suggest in recent reports that she knew more than what she
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told them and that she did in fact fail the polygraph test, as I had mentioned previously.
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Now, if you are to research this case on your own after this podcast or maybe during this podcast,
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if you're multitasking, I have read about some other rumors in the case that I just couldn't
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verify and I didn't see any like news outlets reporting on, so I'm not sure what happened.
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I'll just kind of mention them briefly here, but years later, Wendy will say that she did witness
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the abduction and that she saw two men grab Antonette and like kind of pull her outside from
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her standing at the door, kind of answering the door. So that's one story that's kind of popped up
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over the internet, but I couldn't find the origin of it. I wasn't sure where that came from. And
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another rumor is that Penny was involved with the planning and kidnapping of her daughter.
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Now, police do seem a little suspicious that Penny isn't telling them everything that she may know,
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but they never publicly accuse her of setting up her daughter's disappearance or name her
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officially as a suspect. They just can't rule her out, but they've never been able to rule anybody
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out in this case, so that's kind of where that stands for those two items. But if you know
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anything about the disappearance of Anthonette Cayedito in April of 1986 or her whereabouts today,
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please call the Gallup Police Department at 505-863-9365. And the sources for the timeline today
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come from the Albuquerque Journal, which really covered a lot of the story and where I got a lot
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of my articles, the Santa Fe New Mexican, and QRQE News. So that is the case and timeline of
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Anthonette Cayedito. And this case is pretty well covered. I noticed it had been covered by
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a lot of podcasts, a lot of blogs. There's a lot of reports out there, which is why I'm a little
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cautious about reporting those rumors or slipping those into the timeline. I try to just keep the
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timeline to the facts that I've been able to kind of verify and look up in research. But this case,
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I think, is so popular because of this phone call aspect that Anthonette called almost a year to the
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date, the non-emergency police number at the police station to kind of say, to identify herself and
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say that she's an Albuquerque and then there's some sort of commotion with the man. Another
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person is maybe heard in the background. And as I mentioned in the timeline, there is a recording
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floating out there on the internet. But again, I just couldn't find the origin of this phone call.
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So I didn't know if it was, you know, maybe actors recreating it. If it is the actual audio,
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we know the police did release the audio at some point. I tried to email the Gallup Police
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Department to see if I could get a copy of this, but as of today, I haven't gotten a response. So
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that's fine. I will update, of course, if I get one. But I would be very interested to hear
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that phone call and to really know what's being said there. And it's just like
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the validity of it. Police say that they were unable to trace that phone call. And unfortunately,
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it's something that we see a lot in these cold cases, things that drag on year over year is that
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some people will just kind of be especially cruel and like call the parents and say that they have
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them, they've seen them, you know, just like those cruel jokes. And unfortunately, it's something that
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we hear about quite a bit. So is it that like someone just being like really cruel? I'm not sure.
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But I would be interested in really hearing that phone call if it's not the one that you can find
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online. But another kind of question that I have is all these sightings of Antonette's across the
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United States. There's, I think, like five different states where there are reports of her coming in,
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and, you know, FBI are able to rule a lot of those out. But then we have this waitress' store
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of this teenage girl with this couple that leaves the note that says, Please help call police. Like,
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what happened there, you know, regardless of if it's if it's Anthonette or not, I would just be
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curious what exactly is happening there, because it seemed like the girl needed help one way or the
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other. And I hope she got it, you know, wherever she is today. Yeah, this case, you know, kind of
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kept bringing up hope for the family that they were going to be able to bring Antonette home,
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you know, with the phone call and all these sightings. I just feel really bad for her family,
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her mother, her sisters. They were such a close unit, but it really seems like her disappearance,
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you know, caused a very deep wound in everybody that took a long time to heal, which I think is
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really understandable. And I can't imagine the roller coaster that the family would go through of
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feeling her absence very loudly, but then also getting these glimmers of hope that she is alive.
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She's trying to get a message out. Like she's trying to call for help. Like, we're going to
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bring her home any day now. Like, those like roller coasters of emotions of like highs and lows, like,
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I really want peace for this family and justice for them and answers for them. They deserve to know
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what happened to their sister. It's really unfortunate that it felt like police really
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waited and kind of dropped the ball in those first, you know, very critical 48 hours, like,
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just telling Penny that she had to wait eight hours before she could report her daughter missing.
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You know, she had already waited. It was seven to 11, you know, like that was already a chunk of time
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to figure out she's not in the neighborhood. She's not in the house. She's not, you know,
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she's not anywhere. We need to get searching and, you know, the family and friends come together
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and do search. But, you know, you can't help but wonder, like, did they miss something? Did they
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miss something? Did they maybe contaminate a scene or evidence? Like, all of these people searching
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and probably in a very heightened state of emotion kind of frantically searching, like,
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was something missed? Was something ignored, stepped on? Like, you know, was there, you know,
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shuffles in the grass or like, you know, an indentation indicating a struggle that people
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just didn't notice because they're looking, they're not looking for those little, little details.
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They're looking for the big obvious, where is Anthonette? You know, but yeah, I really hope that
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this family gets answers because it's been a very long time. And, you know, in the beginning,
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the police didn't really take it all that seriously. But more recently, you know,
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I mentioned 2016 is kind of when it re-emerges in the media. And that is directly because of
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the Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women Movement, which we've talked about on this podcast before.
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You know, that advocacy work and talking about these cases that don't get a lot of coverage
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does help them get attention at police departments. So really, thank you for being here and thank you
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for listening to stories like Anthonette's because it really does help and it helps put pressure on
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police to solve it and to put resources towards this case. So you're, you know, this is kind of
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the work too. So I appreciate you being here. And again, if you know anything about the disappearance
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of Anthonette Cayedito in April of 1986 or her whereabouts today, please call the Gallup Police
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Department at 505-863-9365. And one really easy thing that you can do if you like this podcast,
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what we stand for, what we're doing. And if you want, you know, more of these stories, known and
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us, you can do it there. So that's all over at our website, coldandmissing.com. But again, thank you,
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thank you, thank you so much for listening to cold and missing. I'm your host, Allie McLaughlin,
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Zulkowski. Have a great week and stay safe, y'all.
